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Unread 09-30-2011, 06:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Gibson SG 1983

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I have a Gibson SG Special from 1983.
I can find very little information about the guitar, only one document.
The SG has a "hardwood body" (no Mahony) 3-piece maple neck and ebony fingerboard. What means hardwood? Popular?
On this site i found my sg by cataloques 1983
1 tone and 2 volume knobs.
The color look likes green The finish has many cracks.
The bridge is wrap-arround.
Does anyone have information or documentation may be more for me?
See picture, strange is, that mine have a ebony fretboard.
Have anyone some information?Regards Noise
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Unread 09-30-2011, 11:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

Mahogany?
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Unread 09-30-2011, 01:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

No the body is hardwood, not mahogany.
The fingerboard is nice ebony.
Thanks for the reply.
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Unread 09-30-2011, 02:19 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

According to the model information on the ETSG main site, it could be either mahogany, poplar, or alder.
http://everythingsg.com/index.php/special-3-knob-.html
Assuming this is the same model as yours.
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Unread 09-30-2011, 03:50 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

Thanks for the reply.
Yes that is the same as my SG,but my fretboard is ebony and wraparround bridge.
The body is poplar.. Unfortunately, cheap wood.
But the fretboard is ebony, i like that.
The sound is clear and brite of my SG.
The guitar is not heavy.
Guitar made of alder or mahogany are much heavier.
It was a budget SG from 1983.
I cannot find any information or reviews only my first picture.
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Unread 09-30-2011, 04:25 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

that looks like it was originally silver color.
it looks green, cos well thats how it ages.
u'll also see vintage silverbursts that have almost the same greenish color.
as for the pickups, well time for u to look under and find out if they're still original or not.

along with if what u said is an ebony fretboard, coupled with the special color, would probably mean it was a limited edition.
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Unread 09-30-2011, 06:20 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

[quote author=noise link=topic=21888.msg262051#msg262051 date=1317415835]

Guitar made of alder or mahogany are much heavier.
It was a budget SG from 1983.
I cannot find any information or reviews only my first picture.
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I have a copy SG of alder, and it seems to be about the same weight as a mahogany model; I never thought of poplar as a possible choice, maybe walnut, but poplar should sound fine.
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

Thanks all for the reply.
The color looks for sure a sort of green.. but maybe new it was silverburst.
My first picture is sure my guitar.
The only different is that mine have a ebony fretboard.
That's strange i think.. It play and sounds nice..
The bridge pickup is Wolftone, the neck Jake Jones.
The orginal tuners are changed for Grovers.
My first picture with the specs is the only i can find on the internet.
It is also here published on this site, by brochures.
Maybe the rosewood fingerboards where be selled out and the put enbony?
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[quote author=dbb link=topic=21888.msg262054#msg262054 date=1317424823]
I have a copy SG of alder, and it seems to be about the same weight as a mahogany model; I never thought of poplar as a possible choice, maybe walnut, but poplar should sound fine.
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I think it would be a poplar choice.
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Unread 10-01-2011, 04:02 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

thanks again for the replies guys!
Indeed the cheap popular wood, its soft and not heavy.
poplar is unfortunately wood.
Ok but it plays and sounds very good.
I hope to find more info, because of the ebony fretboard.
I know not why Gibson used this.
I hope somebody can tell more
I sent a email to Gibson, but no response.
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[quote author=noise link=topic=21888.msg262064#msg262064 date=1317502954]
Ok but it plays and sounds very good.
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Hey, that's all that counts.

[quote author=njpaulc link=topic=21888.msg262063#msg262063 date=1317500534]

I think it would be a poplar choice.
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Popular.."lar"...OK, anyone seen the musical "Wicked" and the song "Popular"? they make a joke based on that vowel shift.
I should wonder about asking you guys if y'all know show tunes...

Well I liked njpaulc's joke.
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

Wood choice for a guitar can be quite subjective. I believe that the major guitar makers choose Mahogany and
Ash, Rosewood and Alder for good reason, because they are workable in a factory and they sound good. But if your guitar is made of Poplar, that's not necessarily bad. Especially if it sounds good. As dbb says, that's the only thing that counts, unless you are trying to buy and sell for profit.

and by the way, Welcome to ETSG. I have not seen a post from you before, so I'll say hello. not that I know everything. 8) I think you have an interesting and unusual SG. especially if it sounds good.

Here is one theory about why Gibson might choose one wood over another in 1983... Politics and the availability of their preferred material. In 1982 & 3, if I remember right, there was a lot of trouble in Nicaragua and Guatemala. Revolution and upheaval, with repercussions in this country. But Mahogany from Central America is one of the main sources for Gibson. Also the Phillipine Islands (sp), which were disrupted by volcanic activity then too, as well as politics. Gibson gets mahogany from several African countries too, and I don't remember the political situation there in 1982, but it was probably desperate as usual.

So if they couldn't get any good mahogany from normal sources because of politics etc, they would be very likely to buy some from secondary sources and keep their factory workers busy making guitars. Mahogany doesn't grow in the U.S. (to my knowledge) but poplar does, and we make furniture, gunstocks, toys, fishing lures... all kinds of things from it. So don't worry too much, just play your SG, and welcome to the fraternity here.








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Re: Gibson SG 1983

Thank you for this reply Col!
was curious about the wood.
See my first image.
This is all I can about my SG.
It is stated a rosewood fretboard.
Mine has an ebony fretboard.
Perhaps Gibson ebony and rosewood used interchangeably?
The guitar is nice weight.
The combination of body, maple neck and ebony fretboard give the guitar a very bright tone.
The paint has been a lot of cracks and has a very distinct green color.
I can not find that it is not a real gibson.
Correct serial number created in August 1983 in Nashville
Kalamazoo was a transitional period in my opinion.
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

oh yes, and one more thing about Gibson in 1983. The company was losing money badly, and was owned by an international Corporation known as "Norlin." This corporation had bought Gibson as an investment, to make profit. But profit was not to be had in 1983, due to many factors, including the popularity of Synthesizers over guitars. So the Norlin Corporation was trying to decide whether to close the company or not, and they may have been using up whatever wood they had in order not to waste it.

By 1986, the Gibson company had been sold to a group of investors who actually worked there, and who were determined to keep Gibson guitars alive. These leaders (with the support of the employees) were able to restore the company to a healthy condition and keep making our favorite guitars. This may be why it is difficult to find information on your instrument. Others here at ETSG may know more than I do about these things. There were a number of interesting Gibson guitars in development at that time, which never were produced. A pity. But the Gibson company seems to be in good shape now, if only the government bureaucrats will let them do their work without interference.
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

Hi Thanks again for your info.
1983 Unfortunately is not the moment for a good Gibson guitar.
Still like my budget Gibson, nice and light, and has its own clear sound. And I love an ebony fingerboard.
I had the choice of an SG faded out with the old in 1983.
The price was right, I think the older Gibsons just a little different.
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

Gibson used that silver finish on several budget models in 1983. They all quickly developed finish checking, and have become greener over time. Some of the later 1980s Specials have ebony fretboards, but the early ones are all rosewood. Of course, mine is the only 1984 Special I've found with a mahogany body, so maybe yours is a one-off too.
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

Hi thanks for the reply.
Mine is more green than gray.. is from august 1983 Nashville.
I have seen the pics.. Mine have a combination bridge tailpiece.
Unfortunately I miss two screws back of the bridge
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Unfortunately I miss two screws back of the bridge
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Gibson installed these bridges without the two screws.
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

Thus there are at the back of the bridge two holes.
The screws are still needed for the intonation?
Is there a reason why they omitted screws.
The neck pickup is a Jake Jones PAF.
Does anyone know this brand? With google I find nothing.
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

See the flyer that I have posted.
Gibson says American Hardwood.
This can be anything of course.
Indeed, the body seems to have been gray.
It is indeed one of the ugliest Gibson guitars I've seen in my possession.
The paint cracks in the paint as shown poor maintenance on your home.
I was still in love because the combination of body wood, and the 3 piece maple neck with ebony fingerboard is a very individual sound. This with the Woftone and Jake Jones pickup I think.
I will have a little deaf and has a high spankelend eternal sustain.
Nice to read all your replies!
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It is indeed one of the ugliest Gibson guitars I've seen in my possession.
....still in love because the combination of body wood, and the 3 piece maple neck with ebony fingerboard is a very individual sound. This with the Woftone and Jake Jones pickup I think.
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I don't think it's ugly, and if it sounds and plays good, who cares? It's more unique.
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Re: Gibson SG 1983

The guitar is really special.
I have never come across the same.
Sounds louder and brighter than regular SG's.
The WolfTone and Jake Jones pickups fit exactly with it.
Jake Jones pickups from USA, I cannot find any information.
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Jake Jones pickups from USA, I cannot find any information.
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Perhaps these links may help:

http://www.harmonycentral.com/products/103247

" The tone of these PAFs are dead on in my book. While my SG has Alnico V magnets, these have Alnico II, REAL Alnico II magnets with the correct amount of cobalt in them. This makes all the difference. I am also told that he has a supply of original '50s enameled wire and that is what he uses. The tone in the bridge is sweet, but cuts through at the right frequencies. It really snarls when played through a distorted amp, yet remains clear. The neck is also outstanding. "

http://www.guitarists.net/forum/view...p;thread=47924

"Jake Jones has since stopped producing pickups....."

http://vintageamps.com/plexiboard/vi...16&t=42002

"Jake Jones' pickups, which apparently have something in them that others dont, because the reviews ive read have all been stellar, and i hear that he uses really close to the original PAF style of magnet and wiring and so forth. ...High Order & Wolfetone are well regarded & are quite reasonably priced to boot. "

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/just-pick...fo-please.html

http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=86362

"Oh, yeah, the pickups are NOT DiMarzios. They are some of the finest PAF clones I've ever had the pleasure of owning: Jake Jones....Jake Jones pickups are made one at a time by a guy who's been doing it for 25 years. He'll use, at your request, either Alnico II or V magnets. These are supposedly magnets with the correct cobalt content. As well, I was told that he has a healthy supply of 50s enamel 42 gauge wire, which is what he uses to wind the coils. He winds the neck with lopsided coils to give it more fidelity, and the bridge with symmetrical coil winds to give it more punch."

It seems these are pretty well thought of pickups!

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