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Unread 01-21-2014, 10:45 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Either my eyes deceive me or there are 4 small coil tap style
switches on it.

If so, they could change the function of the single knob, yes?

EDIT:

I've just looked at the first pic, and they look like buttons,
which may be purely decorative, but maybe not.
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Unread 01-22-2014, 12:43 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Either my eyes deceive me or there are 4 small coil tap style
switches on it.

If so, they could change the function of the single knob, yes?

EDIT:

I've just looked at the first pic, and they look like buttons,
which may be purely decorative, but maybe not.

I took them for plugs. Could be wrong though.
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Unread 01-23-2014, 02:33 PM   #28 (permalink)
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It looks like he used something like these.

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Click on the "metal plugs."
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Unread 01-23-2014, 03:44 PM   #29 (permalink)
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It's not the first SG that Billy Gibbons has customised. Look in the "Rock & Roll Gearhead" book and you will see a (presumably original?) LP/SG Std. with the side-to-side vibrato, ONE humbucker and a pinstriped top. History repeating?
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Based on the sideways trem, it being new a chrome looking, its probably a newer 61RI trem with the cover removed and pinstriped (he does his own pinstriping too).

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Unread 01-23-2014, 08:05 PM   #31 (permalink)
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My friend loaned me this book to read. info about the band, his guitars and his cars. that SG is featured in the book.

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Unread 01-23-2014, 09:55 PM   #32 (permalink)
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It's not the first SG that Billy Gibbons has customised. Look in the "Rock & Roll Gearhead" book and you will see a (presumably original?) LP/SG Std. with the side-to-side vibrato, ONE humbucker and a pinstriped top. History repeating?


It seems that he's been having a bit of reminiscence with his guitars. He's also touring with a Melody Maker that's been modify by John Bolin, and pinstriped to match his first Gibson that he got for Christmas when he was 13 years old. He's also been having Bolin work on some of the Gibson Pearly Gates models to be more of what he has in mind for them. And, he's also done many copies of original guitars that he doesn't take on the road anymore. I love the '61 in his book. It reeks of being a road warrior. I'd love to play it, especially since he said "It plays like melted butter."
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Unread 01-23-2014, 10:38 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Muddy Waters told Billy he didn't need to play 11 and 12's
That he was WORKING TO HARD . Billy then began going down
in string size pearly is strung with 8's all others mostly 7's
as I have stated he plays with Finesse! Too use 7's ya gots to!
He used to play live with a explorer and V a lot in the early days
and later with some custom's that were a firebird X explorer
type hybrid.I also believe Bo diddley either willed his original
box guitar to billy are gave it to him before he passed.
there has always been the rumor here in Houston that there
is a vewwwy secret place where he has several thousand collectible
classic guitars which I believe is true.
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Muddy Waters told Billy he didn't need to play 11 and 12's
That he was WORKING TO HARD . Billy then began going down
in string size pearly is strung with 8's all others mostly 7's
as I have stated he plays with Finesse! Too use 7's ya gots to!
He used to play live with a explorer and V a lot in the early days
and later with some custom's that were a firebird X explorer
type hybrid.I also believe Bo diddley either willed his original
box guitar to billy are gave it to him before he passed.
there has always been the rumor here in Houston that there
is a vewwwy secret place where he has several thousand collectible
classic guitars which I believe is true.
It was actually B.B. King who told him that. If you watch the episode of "Live at Daryl's House" with Billy Gibbons, he actually talks about the time he and B.B. were playing a sow together and sharing a dressing room. B.B. asked Billy if he could try his guitar, and Billy agrees, and Billy also got to play B.B.'s. B.B., noticing that Billy's guitar had such heavy gauge strings asked him why he was working so hard. Billy mentions that he thought you had to use heavy gauge strings to get that sort of tone. B.B. was using 8's at the time, and Billy mentions that he took it even one step further and uses 7's now.
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It was actually B.B. King who told him that. If you watch the episode of "Live at Daryl's House" with Billy Gibbons, he actually talks about the time he and B.B. were playing a sow together and sharing a dressing room. B.B. asked Billy if he could try his guitar, and Billy agrees, and Billy also got to play B.B.'s. B.B., noticing that Billy's guitar had such heavy gauge strings asked him why he was working so hard. Billy mentions that he thought you had to use heavy gauge strings to get that sort of tone. B.B. was using 8's at the time, and Billy mentions that he took it even one step further and uses 7's now.
I linked the Daryl's House episode in the first post of this thread. It's also where the pictures are from.
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It was actually B.B. King who told him that. If you watch the episode of "Live at Daryl's House" with Billy Gibbons, he actually talks about the time he and B.B. were playing a sow together and sharing a dressing room. B.B. asked Billy if he could try his guitar, and Billy agrees, and Billy also got to play B.B.'s. B.B., noticing that Billy's guitar had such heavy gauge strings asked him why he was working so hard. Billy mentions that he thought you had to use heavy gauge strings to get that sort of tone. B.B. was using 8's at the time, and Billy mentions that he took it even one step further and uses 7's now.
YOU ARE CORRECT!
But Can you tell me where he keeps the pink strat Jimi gave him
when he did a short stint as his guitar tech.
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Unread 01-24-2014, 08:32 PM   #37 (permalink)
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YOU ARE CORRECT!
But Can you tell me where he keeps the pink strat Jimi gave him
when he did a short stint as his guitar tech.

I thought Hendrix gave it to him when The Moving Sidewalks were the support act for a leg of a Hendrix concert tour.
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Unread 01-24-2014, 08:42 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I thought Hendrix gave it to him when The Moving Sidewalks were the support act for a leg of a Hendrix concert tour.
Ha you may very well be CORRECT
OR MAYBE Billy was also working as his tech at the same time
I heard two different storys but I do get a kick outta the fact
that its still the Jimi strat that most forgot exist with documentation.
do you know if His black beauty ever surfaced.Hell very few know he was
his tech. or about the sidewalks. ten points John!
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he and B.B. were playing a sow together and sharing a dressing room.
Sorry off topic and all that, but that is one of the best Typos I've ever seen!
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Hello!

Ive got a '61 RI which I would like to mod in the direction of the "Lil' Red".

First of all, do you think the pickups are stock '57 Classics, or maybe Pearly Gates, Cream T, or something else?

I do not know for certain, but I feel the 57' Classic don't sound ideal for ZZ Top style tone. Please advise!

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Billy Gibbons is a guy who can make any guitar into something totally original
any time he wants to. And not tell anybody what went into it. If you were him,
would you let out your secrets? But my impression is that the original Pearly Gates
was just a regular Les Paul, with regular pickups. So the '57s ought to be perfect.

anyway here's a great clip of that sow... some great guitar work,
and some great SG sounds.

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So, the 57s would be suitable for that kinda tone/style and not too harsh?

How do you think the pickups are linked together, since there isn't a pickup selector? Is the volume control split so that the volume can be controlled for each pickup, perhaps?

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With anything that Billy plays these days, it a tough call to say if it is in fact a Gibson. John Bolin builds all his guitars. The Pearly Gates custom guitars go to John for a thorough makeover (internally) after Gibson shipped them to Billy. John also makes the Billy-Bo road guitars, the Gold Top that is the new Gibson signature model, etc.

Except for Pearly herself, the '58 Flying V, and several other well documented original Gibsons, Fenders, and Gretsches, all his other guitars have been Bolin's builds for years. Check out his Rock and Roll Gearhead book.

As to your original question, put a Gibson 57 Classic+ in the bridge position, and wire it direct to the volume pot, and you should be golden. Most of his guitars these days(according to internet articles with his tech) have only the bridge pickup wired.

Remember, "real ZZ Top Tone" was created with a '59 Les Paul, a '58 Flying V, and a '56 Strat. They all had stock pickups. The tone came from the player.

Here's a link to John's site.

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Thank you for the interesting information!
Currently we have a project, playing some of ZZ Top's songs. Any tips on dialing in some of that ZZ Tone? I have the SG, a Telecaster and a Stratocaster on a Vox AC30cc2x amp. I also in fact have a Marshall 6100LM, but it's in the shop for an overhaul.
I think about general tips like tone settings, etc. Rule of thumb and such

Another question: By wiring the humbucker directly to the volume pot, I skip the selector switch and also the neck humbucker will only be on display and out of work, right? There are in fact 57 classics in my SG It's a '61 Reissue I bought at Guitar Center in Richmond, VA, in 2005.

Of course it's about the fingers and the player. These things just tend to become a fascination, then a hobby, then an obsession

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Unread 04-17-2014, 11:07 PM   #45 (permalink)
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just re-read John's post, he tells you how to do it. Use the Gibson, IMHO, not the
Fenders, wire the bridge pickup directly to the volume pot. (or just flick to the
bridge pickup and turn the tone control off. That's not exactly what he does, but
should be close, and doesn't require any mods to your '61 RI. I don't recommend
people buying a '61 RI and then modding it. bad idea).

Gibbons certainly plays Fenders, but I don't think that sound is what you're trying to do.
'57 Classic Pickups are anything but harsh. Smooth, clean, musical, bell-like tones...
that's how I'd describe them. I have them in my SG Special faded.

Billy Gibbons is the kind of guitarist who can sound like himself no matter
what guitar you put in his hands. But the rest of us have to make attempts.
Good luck with yours.
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Is that vibratosystem on the Lil' Red possible to lock? Could I buy one today still?
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Hi Jupan , if you watch the rig rundown he has a programable graphic eg in his setup thats used to make every guitar sound like pearly gates (if he wants) in his live sound . As for getting billy@s sound , a gibson and marshall are a great combo , i have an epi lp std , honeyburst , with pearly gates pup in the bridge , 50's wiring and cts pots with pio caps and through the jcm800 halfstack i can nail the zz top sound with ease ( i prefer the early stuff ) , hope this helps , cheers
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