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Unread 11-08-2009, 02:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

Hi folks, I was wondering what you all thought of these two pickups (498T & Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB) I am looking to replace my original bridge pickup in my SG std.

Which has better sustain? Which has better tone? What do you all like or dislike about these pickups? What would you recommend? Or what other bridge pickups are out there that you like or recommend?

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Unread 11-08-2009, 03:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

100% on the Duncan. O0
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

The JB has much more clarity than the 498T, but I actually think if sustain can be a function of the pickup I guess out and overdrive, the 498T would probably win out.

The JB is a really solid pickup. They make most guitars sound good. I think the 498 is an acquired taste.
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

not being a fan of the 498's, i wonder if Gibson ever considered putting in 57 classics in a version of standards...i mean, the way it seems, a lot of folks swap out the 498's, or dont like em'..i know many do, but i personally think the standards would sell a little better(i know they sell)..thats my 2 cents...i know i would have bought the standard over my faded if they had 57's or even burstbuckers in em'...
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

[quote author=mikeystool link=topic=19935.msg241614#msg241614 date=1257887337]
not being a fan of the 498's, i wonder if Gibson ever considered putting in 57 classics in a version of standards...i mean, the way it seems, a lot of folks swap out the 498's, or dont like em'..i know many do, but i personally think the standards would sell a little better(i know they sell)..thats my 2 cents...i know i would have bought the standard over my faded if they had 57's or even burstbuckers in em'...
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I think they wanna keep them for the les paul and fancier models. The 57 is a lower output pickup. The 498 is a very focused mid range pickup. I think they like the SG being a very angry mid range snarly guitar. Burstbuckers might sound weird in an SG, I don't know. They are very bright pickups.
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

[quote author=Tenafly Viper link=topic=19935.msg241619#msg241619 date=1257896648]
I think they wanna keep them for the les paul and fancier models. The 57 is a lower output pickup. The 498 is a very focused mid range pickup. I think they like the SG being a very angry mid range snarly guitar. Burstbuckers might sound weird in an SG, I don't know. They are very bright pickups.
[/quote]even though they are lower output, i still like their sound better...again its with preference....but when you buy a coffee you can get different flavors...i bet, it would give everyone something, different to grab.....im talking from my point of view, and ears...agreed on the burstbuckers, i was never a big fan of them in SG's, in LP's i love them...funny, the 490's are supposed to "emulate" the 57's, from what ive read in the description, but i dont hear it..
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

[quote author=mikeystool link=topic=19935.msg241625#msg241625 date=1257903281]
even though they are lower output, i still like their sound better...again its with preference....but when you buy a coffee you can get different flavors...i bet, it would give everyone something, different to grab.....im talking from my point of view, and ears...agreed on the burstbuckers, i was never a big fan of them in SG's, in LP's i love them...funny, the 490's are supposed to "emulate" the 57's, from what ive read in the description, but i dont hear it..
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Hey I have a P90 in my guitar so obviously I like lower output pickups. I'd like something with a little more sizzle and brightness but right now this is fine. And 57's are very nice pickups. I can see them working fine in a SG.

Personally after hearing Gibson's audio samples of their guitars I'm not sure they have any idea of how something should sound. The dirty sounds are especially heinous.
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

Thanks for the comments guys I really appreciate them, and i think im leaning towards the JB's right now.
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

I had a 498 in my 90 Special. I never liked the sound. I went with a Duncan '59 which was better, but still lacking the "sweetness" I was looking for. Then I bought a '57 Classic Plus and that was it. Awesome, smooth, creamy sound. FWIW - at that time I played through a '76 Mashall JMP and a JCM 800, almost always with some form of distorted sound. Even my "clean" sound was not really clean.

If I am going with a Gibson guitar, with humbuckers, I am going with the '57 Classic Plus in the bridge and regular '57 Classic in the neck. Worth every penny IMHO.

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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

I had the 498t and 490r in my studio but swapped them for the 57 classic+ and a 57 classic. They seem to be better matched. I have the P90's in my classic and they will stay there forever.
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

Can't comment on the 498T.
But I do not like the JB in SG. Much too midy and uninteresting when played clean. Others have different opinion. Have to say though that JB sounded great in a friends Tokai LP copy.
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

[quote author=uyasgali link=topic=19935.msg241672#msg241672 date=1257979752]
I had the 498t and 490r in my studio but swapped them for the 57 classic+ and a 57 classic. They seem to be better matched. I have the P90's in my classic and they will stay there forever.
[/quote]yep 57's are awesome, 57+ in the neck of my special.. ...sure seems like not many people agree with the "490's emulate the 57's" ...they sure sound like apples and oranges to me..
+1 on the p-90's roolin: mine are staying put...love em'...
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

I've always heard that the 490 and 57 classic were essentially the same pickup with some minor aesthetic/bobbin material or enamel coated wires or some such shit. I've played Gibson guitars for a long time and I have to say the 490 is one of the best neck pickups I've heard that transfers from one guitar to another and stays consistant. I can't say the same for the 498. I've always thought they were too hot/muddy but I have a 2001 LP Standard that I will not change the stock configuration because it just sounds so "right" to me. This has been a rare experience for me though. I do have an 84 Custom that came with the stock "P.A.F.s", otherwise known as the Tim Shaw designed P.A.F., and they sound wonderful except they feedback like bitch in high gain situations. But for clean and light overdrive they're godly. So I guess it really depends on the guitar/your hands but a great guitar can really be summed up to be the major factor in satisfactory tone. All this shit being said, it's difficult for us guitarists to let go of the constant search of the ultimate tone.
BTW, I've always enjoyed the Duncan JB, I actually have one waiting to go into a BC Rich Bich. Excellent bridge tones.
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

I'm in the '57 Classic/'57 Classic + crowd. The 490 and 498 just plain suck, IMO. Either the SD '59 or JB is a much better choice but the '57s are the BEST choice.
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

Im another fan of the 57 and 57+ which I think are great pups. I think it would be great if gibson would start putting them in the standards. I also think they should offer slim taper necks as well as rounded 50s style necks on the SGs.

My top pickup choices are the 57classics and the great sounding P90s. Those two options cover alot of musical ground. I'd really like to have an SG re-issue one day.
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

Everything said about how god the 57's are is true!
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

[quote author=oldrockfan link=topic=19935.msg254556#msg254556 date=1293719909]
My top pickup choices are the 57classics and the great sounding P90s. Those two options cover alot of musical ground.
[/quote]i agree... 8)
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

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Everything said about how god the 57's are is true!
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I wouldn't say they are god but they are real good
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[quote author=uyasgali link=topic=19935.msg254560#msg254560 date=1293729964]
I wouldn't say they are god but they are real good
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so much for my spelling....so it should be "how good".

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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

[quote author=oldrockfan link=topic=19935.msg254556#msg254556 date=1293719909]
Im another fan of the 57 and 57+ which I think are great pups. I think it would be great if gibson would start putting them in the standards. I also think they should offer slim taper necks as well as rounded 50s style necks on the SGs.[/quote]

But if Gibson did those things, they couldn't charge you another $800 for the '61 RI. :roll:

I almost bought a Standard when I was in the market for my good SG. It was a nice, pretty-good-playing axe but the '50s profile neck was just wrong for me and I knew I'd end up switching out those wretched, "Moderm Classic" p'ups. So I found myself a used '61 RI for aboiut $200 more and never looked back.
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Re: 498T vs. Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB

OK. I'll show some 498T love. Had my tech do a custom wire job (mainly to shorten the wires and replace the caps and toggle. Never felt a need to replace the 498's. They sound great on a SG or on a Les paul Custom. My Ebony SG has slightly more treble than my Heritage Cherry, but I count on that.
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