1 piece body VS 2 piece body

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  1. Gillean

    Gillean Well-Known Member

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    Hey guy, would you kindly share your knowledge with me about this subject? let me explain a little more. (skip to final paragraph to go straight to the question)

    I was recording some videos this weekend with the Gibson SG special and I was noticing that because of the lighting in the room it was making the guitar scream "I am a two piece body guitar!!" top part of the body was super bright reflecting the light and the lower part was like a void, absorbing all light.

    It got me really bugged, I love my SG so much but I`m having that itch behind my ear saying: "maybe you should get a custom shop, you deserve it, you worked so hard... you can sell some pedals and buy it... come on do it! doesn't matter all that you`ve been through with your special, get a 1 piece body custom shop."

    I`m fighting those thoughts, I know they are bullcrap and I love the sound and playability of my SG, not even speaking about all gigs and practice time I`ve spend with her.

    So, getting to the point.

    What are you guys opinion on 2 piece bodyie X 1 piece? what models usually come with one piece? Were vintage SGs all 1 piece bodies?
     
  2. AngelDeVille

    AngelDeVille Well-Known Member

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    Glue makes it a one piece.
     
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  3. Rox

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    In the mythical mists of time, a grandmaster Luthier called Leo Fender created guitars. He built them from the finest materials available. Every guitar was sprinkled with fairy dust. The nitrocellulose finish infused with Unicorn hair that people still believe is 'lacquer crazing'. Each guitar was inspected by a highly trained specialist luthier, sparing no expense.

    The strings were spun from the finest mermaid hair, and the pickups wound with care by ancient Bhuddist monks atop a mountain in Tibet.

    All wood taken from a single tree - one tree one guitar. Each body hand-carved from a single piece of wood by skilled craftsmen who were only promoted to master carver when they hit the age of 80 years old.

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    Leo Fender created guitars for profit. He built them to a cost, and sourced common cheap wood like Swamp Ash. The nitrocellulose finish was boiled up a large vat so dangerous the local Fire Safety inspector refused to go into the factory until the fire was out.

    He designed them to be disposable, and neck easily replaceable. The modular design making them cheap and easy to assemble.

    Some of these mythical pre-CBS bodies of these were up to 4 pieces. The carves varied enormously because of the variances on the belt sanders and operators.

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    One, two, three, four pieces - if it sounds great, it is great. If it works, it works. If you're bothered by the look of two pieces, get it resprayed - a lovely Pelham Blue or something.

    There are one piece bodies that are awful, and multi-piece bodies that sing...
     
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  4. DrBGood

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  5. DCCable

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    Yeah, I like one piece bodies, but its just because of the way they look. Has nothing to do with the way they sound, which is no different than a 2, or 3, or 4 piece body.

    Keep in mind that even the most expensive Les Pauls have a 2 piece top along with maybe a one piece mahogany plank underneath that which adds up to 3 pieces.

    If you want a one piece body then go for it, or you could go with a painted body which will not reveal the number of pieces in it's body. Anyway, they will not sound different due to the number of pieces of wood used in their bodies.
     
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    I know my Les Paul Studio is made of many pieces of hideous wood, all hidden under an opaque finish.

    Love that guitar!

    1-piece is just bragging rights among the guitar snobs, the majority of whom can't actually play a complete song from start to finish.
     
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    I have two guitars that have one piece bodies, but I didn't buy them for that reason (one of them is painted black, so obviously not that one). It really makes no difference unless it makes a difference to you. If it bothers you and you can afford and want a CS then go for it...you only live once.
     
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    It's called GAS and it will grab at any bullcrap thread possible.

    Get a new guitar because you love it, or because you can make into something even more awesome, not for resale value or how many pieces of wood it's made from.

    Besides, the lighting effect is interesting, any idiot can have a boring plain guitar.
     
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    A bigsby and some play wear will fix that.
     
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    No issues for me as long as it's well matched. If you still have the bug, and Custom Shops are more expensive than you'd like, check out a 90's or early 2000's SG '61RI. They're supposed to be 1 piece.

    Or get a black SG and never know how many pieces it's madre of ;)

    PS: Mahogany is usually OK for matching multiple pieces. But the figured maple tops on LP sometimes are awfully matched; like one side being super flamey, the other plain... Some people like those, not for me...
     
  11. Kep

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    I wrote previously that 1 out of 40 SGs leaves the factory with a one piece body. I can't prove that but it sounds scientific so I am going with it. There is no evidence other than some anecdotal observations that these are concentrated on particular models but I sure see a lot of custom shop versions that look like one piece. Does it matter? I don't know. I'm pretty sure my '65 is three pieces (It's White so a little hard to tell) and it sounds amazing.

    Bonus Picture: Saw Tom Petty in Baltimore Sunday and he and Mike Campbell both were sporting what looked like custom shop standards.

    All this means is that you need one Gillean. Stop making excuses.

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    If you're a tonewood believer you'd want at least two pieces per body, the wood resonant to bass on top of the wood resonant to treble, right?
     
  14. DCCable

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    What!?!

    I can only assume your being purposely FOS here Biddlin!
     
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    That way the wood only has deflect the magic waves a shorter distance, right? It's alternative science, right?
     
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    Yeah, that's what it is. You got it nailed Bid !
     
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    As a photographer, let me suggest that if you don't like the lighting on your
    favorite guitar in a video, change the lighting. Moving the light source around
    is a lot cheaper than buying a custom shop guitar. Even easier than changing where the lamps are placed: change the angle of the guitar a few degrees, and
    presto, no more bad lighting. Ye angle of incidence equals ye angle of reflection.
    Never fergit that... when yer makin' videos...

    That said, I agree with my colleagues that if you are burning for a new SG, maybe you should just get one and enjoy it as long as you can. The way the world is going, there are no guarantees. So as ol' Sebastian the Crab said once:
    "Kiss the girl..."

    As respects the number of planks of the lumber... That has zero effect IMHO.
    One piece bodies are something for guitar snobs to obsess over, and something
    for guys to brag about because they paid too much for their guitar.
    But it's a meaningless issue.

    In terms of tone, it makes no difference. There are some instruments where the seams show in front, and maybe those should have been painted before being shipped. But if they sound good, very few in an audience would ever notice,
    or care. I'd worry more about how well I play, and how my shirt looks against
    whatever background is there. When the videographer gets the lighting correct
    on the performer's face
    , many of the girls will get that melting sensation. In
    a video, the song's the thing... the sound is the thing...and the lighting on the face, and maybe on the
    hands. The guitar's just a prop. *shrugs
     
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    Yes, it most certainly is! That is going to be a quotable phrase for some time to come.
     
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    One piece bodies are nice. Is it a status symbol? Does it possess magical qualities of tone and sustain that only your unique senses can appreciate?

    Since I decided to switch from LP's to SG's, many an hour was spent searching for an affordable one piece SG that I could easily pay for and have a chance to try in person. So, here it is 2017, after selling an Explorer, and a couple of LP's I have three SG's and all are two piece bodies.

    We must build upon what has been previously explained. First off, the two parts of the body handle different frequencies like a natural tone resonator. However, we need to pay special attention to the body joint. As we must realize the glue has unique qualities that assist the two body pieces to become one with the vibrations of the strings. And there Folks, it the magic of the two piece SG Body.

    Below is a SG Batwing. Seriously, I swore I'd never get a bat wing as these guitars look like they have a misbegotten bulls eye located dead center. The store owner just received this guitar in for a consignment sale and I happened to come by as the owner was leaving. We talked a minute and he left. Basically he bought it new as a back up and maybe played her twice since he bought her new.

    It has a big black Batwing pick guard. No! No! No! Alright, I'll try her. Holy smokestack! This is arguably the finest playing and sounding SG I have ever played. And I owe it all to the neck angle and the two piece body. This is Mr. Red. So please throw the lowly two piece body SG's on the fire wood pile.

    Replaced the freaking nasty pick guard and pickups. Mr. Red now has a matched pair of DMZ PAF Masters - they are some what bright and on the plus side, they are DSC00847-A.jpg very controllable.

    Keep cool, its summer and freaking hot!
     
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  20. Gillean

    Gillean Well-Known Member

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    I agree with most points made here. But just as a reminder, my deal with it was just visual. some went deep into stuff I made clear I also did not believe.

    On the other hand it ended up being a very informative thread for new comers, which is always good.

    Below find some pictures of my guitar over the last years. I think it was just the lighting on that specific day and place, as mentioned by Col.Mustard. And to be honest, in most cases being a two piece body (specially cut exactly in the middle) makes it look quite cool, maybe not every day or every angle, but well.

    I love the guitar, and I dont think I will love any custom shop more than I love this one. There are other priorities at this moment - buying a Strat, a yamaha THR10C another guitar to be my drop C# guitar, the list goes on...

    Thanks for the comments guys, this forum is really something special because of you.

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