50s and Modern wiring, what do you think?

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  1. Layne Matz

    Layne Matz Well-Known Member

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    Guess i didnt try hard enough the first time
     
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    Can somebody identify what kind of wiring I have in my 61 reissue?
    It's really similar to the modern style of wiring but with a little twist on the tone pots. Outter and middle lugs of the tone pots are somehow switched. Is this modern wiring or what?

    As on this schematics https://s25.postimg.cc/bkad8lzgv/Modern_vs_Vintage_Les_Paul_Wiring.jpg ...
    Does it matter if the capacitor is connected to the outer lug or to the middle as in my case?

     
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    I'm not sure what's going on there. It looks like the outer lug of the volume is connected to the outer lug of the tone, that's neither modern or 50's wiring. And those are the smallest tone caps I've ever seen.
     
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    I really wonder why there arent standard terms for the other types of wiring. To my knowledge and experience there is an audible and mechanical difference.
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    The wiring in your SG 61 Reissue appears to be the same as how it is done on the SD Wiring Diagram in the link below.

    https://www.seymourduncan.com/wirin...h,2-volume,2-tone,3-way-toggle,accessory-none


    Pictured below is the tone circuit only.

    top: from your photo
    bottom: stock "modern" wiring

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    Pictured below is stock "modern" wiring from a 2003 SG Special Faded.

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    Hm...now this is getting a little complicated.. :)

    Do you have any idea how does my wiring affect sound compared to typical modern wiring?

    I am thinking of rewiring it completely to 50's style with Bumble bees but would still like to know what I'll get compared to current (sonically unknown) situation..
    Any other ideas what's going on here?

    Btw..it's 2016 '61 Reissue Limited Proprietary Edition.
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    With controls set to 10 there should be no difference.
     
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    Agreed...and it's the best setting for everything, yeah.
    Only 11 beats it...
     
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    If you like the sound of the guitar the way it is now then don't do anything. If there's something you don't like then tell us and maybe someone could point you in the right direction. Also, don't waste your money on expensive "mojo" tone caps, any will do.
     
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    I’d only want a little more high end, sparkle when rolling down the volume. Now it gets quite muddy and bassy which I do not like.
    I presume 50s wiring would do the trick..somehow..
    I agree about the caps..but on the other hand if I’ve already been spending on the pickups I might go all-in for these 2 caps as well.. :)
     
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    50's wiring can do that, but personally I prefer modern with Kinman-style treble bleed circuits. It's not hard to try both and decide for yourself. :thumb:
     

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