Advice on self locking tuners, low weight and vintage looking

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  1. nico1975

    nico1975 Active Member

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    Hi guys,
    I am sure the subject has been discussed many times, I am thinking about replacing my Kluson Deluxe tuners with something else, trying to maintain the vintage looking and stay on the lowest possible weight, any experience with those below, the Kluson Revolution? Those seem to be the only ones on the market with the same look of the original.

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    I've found also those Gotoh, nice and quite expensive on ebay (90€!)

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    And what's your experience with self-locking tuners on your SGs? what would you reccomend?

    Thanks in advance,
    Nico
     
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  2. plankton

    plankton Well-Known Member

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    Personally I've never seen the need for locking tuners. If I wrap the strings properly and lube the nut even my tremolo equipped Strat doesn't have any tuning issues.

    What's wrong with your current tuners that you're trying to improve?
     
  3. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    If you wind your strings on the post like this, it will turn any tuner into a self-locking tuner.

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    GrumpyOldDBA Well-Known Member

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    I am a huge fan of the Grover locking tuners they get installed on all my guitars!
     
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  5. Ray

    Ray Well-Known Member

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    Me too.
     
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    DrBGood Well-Known Member

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    Best way to start complaining about neck dive on your SG.

    So yeah Nico, tell us what's wrong with your actual tuners. And don't tell us they slip. Tuners never slip, bad string winding on them do.

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    The only reason for locking tuners is to make string changes easier. They won't magically improve tuning stability, if that's the goal.
    That being said, I love them myself just because of the quick string changes and Grovers are my favorites by a mile, as they are about the easiest to use and have the best tuning "feel" of anything I have tried.
     
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  8. nico1975

    nico1975 Active Member

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    Hi guys thank you all for the useful informations!

    Let me explain, I definitely dont have big tuning issues, but after 27 years of honorable service (less than one in my hands) the G and e tuners arent working properly anymore.
    They turn badly, looks like they give traction in a discontinuous way.
    I never had locking tuners on any other guitar, but now I have to decide: replacing the two tuners or change them all for better.
    So here I am looking for any useful advice and also just to have a talk ;)
     
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    gball Well-Known Member

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    Got it. Wore them out. Personally I'd go with a drop-in replacement then, and get the Revolutions.
     
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    DrBGood Well-Known Member

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    I say, if those gave you 27 satisfying years ... you'll be 70 before you need to do it again.
    No brainer.
     
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    I can't recommend any specific tuner, but I will echo what DrBGood mentioned earlier, weight can be a big factor on an SG. See if you can figure out how heavy the current tuners are and go for something about the same or even less. Otherwise the infamous neck dive could become an issue.
     
  12. Ray

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    Personally had never heard of any issues regarding neckdives before I read about it on ETSG.

    I've always used big fat, suede letherstraps on all my guitars and I' ve never had issues with neckdives. Even with my 1995 Epi G-400.

    IMO people who complains about unbalanced SG's and whatnot should get a different guitarmodel. SG's are not for them. IMO it can hardly be justified saying Grovers will cause neckdive.

    To those getting their lives ruined by neckdives: Spend 50 Euro on a BIG, FAT, SUEDE LEATHERSTRAP.

    My SGs with Grovers balances just fine and the dont dive with their necks. They stay nicely in place. Neckdive is such a non-issue to most players.
     
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    Why do you think EC quit playing the fool and went to a Strat? During a rehearsal, the anti neck dive stage rigging slipped and his wrist got sprained and he had to cancel several shows.

    The final solution for neck dive.

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    Ray Well-Known Member

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    Of course. Headless guitars are my favourites, btw.
    SF!:dude: (Steinberger Forevah!)
     
  15. Col Mustard

    Col Mustard Well-Known Member

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    It can be proven that Grover Rotomatic tuners are too heavy for an SG.
    Just weigh them and compare to the stock tuners.
    I like Grover tuners, and use rotomatics on two of my guitars. But not SGs.
    Grover Rotomatic tuners weigh .27 Kg.

    You don't have to believe me of course. You could just buy heavy tuners
    and install them on your SG and find out the hard way. I did this twice
    (on other guitars... in the past...) before I got it through my thick head bone
    that the weight makes a difference. So I try to save you from this joy.

    Go to the StewMac site and read the specifications. They list the weight of
    the tuners they sell. You can compare for yourself.

    https://www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Solid_Peghead_Guitar_Tuning_Machines/

    I recommend Grover "Vintage Keystone" tuners for an SG, because they are the
    same size and the same weight as original Elusions and will fit in the same holes, including the screws. The Grover 135 tuners weigh .19 Kg. That is the only
    important factor on an SG IMHO.

    I installed these on one of my SGs and have had no trouble.
    These are not locking tuners, but if you follow the advice above when installing
    strings, locking tuners are not necessary.

    IMHO, locking tuners are also too heavy for an SG. They are fine on other guitars,
    such as Les Pauls, but are likely to upset the balance of an SG. Verify this by checking the weight on the StewMac site.

    StewMac is a USA supplier, but I'm sure there are sources in Europe for Grover 135
    "Vintage Keystone" tuners. If not, Gotoh makes a good version,
    which weighs .15 Kg, this would be a good choice. Just over half the weight of
    the Rotomatics.

    I have Gotoh tuners on two of my guitars and they
    give great service and no problems.
    Good luck in your quest...
     

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