Bone Tune-O-Matic Saddles:

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  1. Robert Herndon

    Robert Herndon Well-Known Member

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    "Boneomatic" sounds like something VERY kinky...
     
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    Yikes! I could get my nephews baby teeth cheaper than that!
     
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    Bone O Matic - You're fully automatic marital aid
     
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    "The original TOM bridge from the 50s features six metal saddles which are held in place by the strings' tension. In the course of 1960, bone saddles were used concurrently, albeit for a short period of time, and by 1961 white nylon saddles became the norm on Gibson electrics." A. R. Duchossoir Gibson Guitars
     
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    Yeah, I read that. Graphtech makes a TUSQ version as well.
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    $29 shipped. I just don't see the point in spending basically 5x the price for bone.
     
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    Well you have a choice ... bone or tusk.
    Which one will the missus like the best ?
     
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    Hmmmmmmm...........................
     
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    Looking at those prices, I know who's getting boned.
     
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    The price doesn't bother me...I'm curious if it makes a tonal difference....
     
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    90 things will make a bigger impact than saddles, tailpieces, nuts, capacitors.

    1. Good right hand, clean picking technique.
    2. Dynamics.
    3. Appropriate vibrato.
    4. Note selection
    5. Accurate bending.
    6. Understanding the melodic structure/.
    7. Proper inversions.
    8. Timing.
    9. ...Am I making myself clear?

    Playing well on a $89 guitar with pot metal hardware, cheesy pickups trumps all the money you can spend on titanium, Alnico, Aluminum, Bone, whatever.

    Reminds me of a story. Eric Clapton sold the 1963 ES335 he played on so many iconic Cream recordings. Guitar Center bought it. Gibson decided to issue an "Eric Clapton ES335" Custom shop model. They got permission from Guitar Center to measure every aspect of the guitar, check the wood, pickups, electronics, neck profile, everything. It turns out that guitar that made the most amazing music in Clapton's hands was completetly "average" in every way.

    Yet the second solo in the live "Crossroads" recording is unbelievable.

    Hmm....
     
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    Of course, technique is important...but for me, I can hear intonation issues that a Korg Pitchblack doesn't "hear" so to speak, so to me, there are certain things, nuances if you will, that make a difference to me. For example, I used the Faber locking tailpiece on my Gibson SG. Many people claim this makes no difference. Not only could I hear an immediate and definitive difference in sustain, but I could also hear a tonal difference between the aluminum and zinc tailpiece....FWIW
     
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    Rondo's got the whole bridge on sale for $20
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    So it's metric, save $10 and yank the saddles.
     
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    Before throwing your money down this rathole, play a classical guitar with a bone saddle and similar one with teflon(TUSQ). If you can hear any difference at all, spend away.
     
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    From what I've read it is some kind of phenolic resin. TUSQ XL is infused with PFTE (or Teflon) but regular TUSQ isn't.
     
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    Point is, bone and plastic will sound alike and the plastic is less porous and unlikely to crack. Steel alloy is best of all for an adjustable saddle. Movable bone saddles sounds like a bad idea on its face.
     
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    This seems a lot like spending $79.95 for a titanium seat
    post bolt to shave 6 grams of weight off your bicycle.

    If you buy these bone saddles, you're gonna sound like...







    you.
     
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    I personally haven't seen any evidence yet that would persuade me to buy these saddles, but, I cannot yet rule them out as not making a tonal difference....neither can I assume Gibson didn't use them for a specific reason. I'm just not certain, but I'm not opposed to them either.

    People told me the Faber locking tailpiece would make no difference and it did...a difference in unplugged volume and sustain I can not only hear, but see when analyzing a track visually. I can also hear a distinct difference between the zinc and aluminum tailpiece too. The cost? Like what? $79 or something...

    When I recorded my CD in 2011, I did so with my neck-through string-through Schecter C1 Hellraiser. Why? There was a quality in its tone that jumped out at me when I listened to the tracks on headphones...a quality that I didn't hear on a couple of lesser guitars...was it wood, was it the Tone Pros TOM? Grovers? EMG'S? Perhaps it was many things, but the difference was significant.

    Some may or may not know that Leslie West recorded Mississippi Queen on a battered Les Paul Junior...and it sounded really good. On the other hand, something was hugely absent in Jimmy Page's tone when he played the Danelectro....and it wasn't a single coil/humbucker thing, it was presence, timbre, depth, clarity and sustain.

    My 2016 Gibson SG T Series is louder and has far more sustain than even my mahogany/quilted maple top Schecter when both are unplugged...now in theory, that shouldn't be. I don't know why that is...but therr are certain nuances that make me hang onto the Schecter.

    I can't explain these phenomena, but I can hear them...just like my quest for a Gibson SG Double Neck. I have heard distinct differences in two different EDS-1275' s that I guess nobody else hears.

    Will the one I buy get Faber locking tailpiece's...most certainly it will....
     
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    Come now, you can get Ti seat post bolts for $9 CAD:rofl:

    In fairness, you could get a no-name Ti post on Fleabay for that.:D

    I on the other hand like my aluminum alloy posts for most projects and the chromed cromoly post I got for my Schwinn restomod. I don't do carbon fiber.:dude:
     

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