Bone Tune-O-Matic Saddles:

Discussion in 'Tone Zone' started by Robert Herndon, Oct 27, 2016.

  1. Tony M

    Tony M Well-Known Member

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    LOL.
    I know you can get the Ti bolt for 9.
    By pricing it at 80 I was making it as equally
    ridiculous as the bone saddle thingies.

    But...(<--<< There it is a again!)

    I have 2 ES 335s
    same pickups
    same hardware
    same electronics
    same strings
    same setup
    same me playing them

    They sound very different from each other.
    One is all warm and round.
    The other is a screamer.
    Different trees.

    Maybe the bone saddle thingies would make a huge difference?
     
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  2. Raiyn

    Raiyn Well-Known Member

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    To your wallet, certainly. :rolleyes::naughty:
     
  3. Paul G.

    Paul G. Well-Known Member

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    Won a lot of races with a steel frame, record-equipped, totally titanium-free bicycle.

    Head-down, 140rpm sprint in a 96-inch gear -- ain't thinking about no bolts.

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    smitty_p Well-Known Member

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    My only real concern is that I'd think the threads could strip out more easily in bone saddles than either metal or Tusq saddles. But, maybe it's not an issue.
     
  5. frankd

    frankd Well-Known Member

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    I dunno I kinda like Bone china.
     
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  6. Raiyn

    Raiyn Well-Known Member

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    You don't see many velodromes anymore.
     
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    China White? what????

    Brass seems nice....perhaps T-1 AL. or Rhodium, YES RHODIUM --- everyone knows it is the BEST tone improvement a guitar can have.
     
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    Just because someone makes it, and someone else will buy it.
    Doesn't exactly create a demand.
    But it WAS endorsed by some semi obscure book author...
    Not a player, or builder or engineer.
    I'm not drinking that coolaid.
     
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    I think the important question here is, why did gibson stop using bone almost immediately and why did they never convert the whole production line to it?

    I'd guess it's for the same reason they started replacing last years brass adjustable nuts with titanium so fast.
     
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    Introducing the Bone-O-Matic, new from Ronco!
    It shake, it twists, it turns!! It shucks and jives!! Oh Yeah!

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    Order NOW and we'll include a FREE genuine Orgasmic Orb, just add separate handling fee.
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  11. Robert Herndon

    Robert Herndon Well-Known Member

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    it would take a much larger hit to be noticed....
     
  12. Robert Herndon

    Robert Herndon Well-Known Member

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    That "obscure book author" was is the not so obscure A. R. Duchossoir.

    I'm curious about the reason Gibson initially went to them, as we know, from history, why they drop things...Cost...
     
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    i've had the opportunity to play several instruments identical except for color & one always stands out above the rest...

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  14. Raiyn

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    No, he's no Stephen King, Ernest Hemingway, Dashiell Hammett, or Louis L'Amour so he's an obscure niche writer who hasn't written a book in decades.

    You wanna tilt at windmills go ahead, but that's all you. The consensus seems to be that it's a ridiculous waste of money.

    :io:
     
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  15. Kep

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    I agree the price looks high but the question was: will it make a difference in tone?

    My experience is yes it will. Not a huge one but one you can hear. I am basing this on my experience switching to nylon saddles and later a bone nut. Both changes made a difference (not better necessarily but clearly different) so it stands to reason the bone saddles would provide some change in tone.
     
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    I agree....i'm not advocating rushing out and buying them, but I think they must alter tone to some degree.

    I saw a genuine, documented and signed Angus Young signature SG last night that was factory equipped with nylon saddles....
     
  17. Kep

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    So just to tie this together with your other thread re: the Faded - that is why I switched to Nylon. I thought my leads sounded too bright on the bridge pick up. They actually sounded okay on recordings - just not what I wanted live. I ended up just changing the bottom three saddles for a total cost of like $6.

    I think Shardy tried this too and had some luck.

    Maybe this could work for you?
     
  18. Robert Herndon

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    I've thought about that too....and I might switch at some point...but im really looking forward to getting a potted pickup in there with the covers on them....im probably crazy, but I think the open bobbin 490 pickups, which are super tilted without a trim ring, have a big change in tone compared to a cover that is squared up to the strings... SGAYVACCH1-Features-Pickguard-jpg.jpeg
     
  19. Kep

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    No I don't think you are crazy. I have noticed different sounds from tilted pickups and even tilted one or two on purpose.
    As for the covers, again not crazy. There is an interview with Seth Lover out there somewhere where he says the covers are there to mellow out the highs.
     
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    The preferred ETSG approved method of squaring up your pickups with the strings
    is to cut out a couple of pieces of moderately stiff packing foam... about 2" wide
    and for the neck: about 20mm tall. for the bridge: about 25mm tall
    The height is what tilts the pickup, so adjust it depending on how stiff the foam is.

    You do this at string change time, and do some other maintenance at the same time, such
    as cleaning/oiling your fretboard, installing knob pointers etc. You have to remove the
    bridge to get the pickguard off, so I usually measure in mm the height of the bridge post
    wheels so i can get her back close to where she was quickly. Insert the foam under the
    rear of each p'up, and then put everything back together and re-check your intonation
    and bridge height action.

    Apparently, not all pickups seem to benefit from being parallel to the strings,
    but Gibson 490s do.

    Adding pickup rings to a guitar with a large pick guard will forever brand you
    as a "Belt AND Suspenders man" ... *laughs. I've done it too.
    Pickguard 6@100.jpg
    I found out too late that the regular pickup rings won't fit when you have a pick guard
    under them. Learn by doing, eh? So the foam pieces described above are actually a
    better solution. Here you can see that my neck pickup has a flat (non angled) surround
    because this is the only thing that would fit under the strings. It's possible that my custom
    pickguard is too thick to use rings... but really, no pickguard is designed to use rings
    except the small one. So I'm using the approved foam piece under the rear of the neck
    p'up, and the ring is only there because I already drilled the holes before I realized
    that the idea wouldn't work.
    Pickups 5@100.jpg
    If you look closely, you can also see that my bridge p'up has a neck p'up angled ring, plus a flat non-angled ring stacked on it... because the regular bridge p'up angled ring would also not fit. In spite of how makeshift this looks, it actually works perfectly now, and nobody usually notices because they're knocked out by the tone of my '57 classics and by the looks of my walnut pickguard. Once you get the foam measured right, it's done. One of our members made his own out of maple, and glued it in place.
     

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