Can someone date this custom?

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  1. coxisingapore

    coxisingapore New Member

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    PHOTO-2019-03-29-14-26-06 2.jpg can someone date this custom and tell me if they think it's either refined or is wearing replacements parts , its huge investment for me so I really an expert opinion.
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    Some more pics
     

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    I think it's a 64 but the serial numbers don't correspond and the pick gaurd doesn't look three ply
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Serial numbers from that era are unreliable for dating purposes. Look inside the control cavity and check the pot codes. If pots are original, they will indicate the earliest year the guitar was built.

    Pot Code Format
    137YYWW
    137 = CTS
    YY = Year
    WW = Week

    Example: 1376421

    137 = CTS
    YY = 64 (1964)
    WW = 21 (21st week of 1964)

    Truss Rod Cover plate does not appear to be original. It is too large overlapping the the bottom of the split diamond inlay on the headstock.
     
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    I checked a bunch of photos of 64 customs and all have this large truss rod cover that overlaps the diamond, must be a thing
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    It could be.

    I found this one...

    https://reverb.com/item/17769274-vi...electric-guitar-w-ohsc-all-original-one-owner

    The one in above link is close, but not overlapping the inlay.

    I can't help but to notice things that look out of place such as on a late 60's SG, the selector switch and washer is placed right up on the edge of the guard which makes it look like an afterthought IMO compared to all the other years where it was not so close to the guard. It doesn't bother me where it's located, just an observation.

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    So what did the pot codes end up dating to?
     
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    PermissionToLand Well-Known Member

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    '63 or '64. Can't say any more specifically without pot codes. Looks mostly original. TRC looks newer though.

    It's three-ply. The bottom layer is always really thin with Gibson. 5-ply always looks like 4, especially on a guitar like this where the bottom layer matches and blends into the body color.
     
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    Ah Thank you. I have taken the plunge Potcodes unseen and put down a deposit. (my fourth SG). Once i take delivery I will open her up for a look see and will let you know, appreciate the help.
     
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    The bad news: PAF pickup that is shown looks like fake. Decal looks not authentic and I miss the L markings where the two screws are attached. I could be wrong, but if they are fakes, it would devaluate the guitar with at least 3000$ if the rest is original. I also miss the gold plated knob pointers. Honestly, the headstock looks fake too as the paint is covering the diamond shape and the GIBSON mark. The tenor cover is missing the two screws........ I would stay away from it.
     
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    One other thing, the tuners are dull and corroded. Normaly they should be smooth and the gold layer should be disappearing because of the use. A lot of the relic guys forget these things.
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    The stamping on the serial number looks odd. Never seen that before where some digits appear larger than the others. Look at the 7,5, and 1.
     
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    This is a fake, I can buy it to halp you .

    :rofl:;)
     
  14. HackeIommi

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    Whatever these guys offer, plus 100 bucks!! I am no.1 hater of this fake guitars! :D:D

    I can't know the year but maaaan!! This is a great guitar!! Nice catch!
    :cheers:
     
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    Also the 8. The 5 in the middle seems that it was a 6 or an 8, if you look at its left side and its bottom, it looks as if a 5 has been printed on a curved-shaped number.
     
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