Can someone date this custom?

Discussion in 'Vintage SG' started by coxisingapore, Jun 25, 2019.

  1. coxisingapore

    coxisingapore New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2014
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Bali, Indonesia
    PHOTO-2019-03-29-14-26-06 2.jpg can someone date this custom and tell me if they think it's either refined or is wearing replacements parts , its huge investment for me so I really an expert opinion.
    Please see pics
     

    Attached Files:

  2. coxisingapore

    coxisingapore New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2014
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Bali, Indonesia
    Some more pics
     

    Attached Files:

  3. coxisingapore

    coxisingapore New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2014
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Bali, Indonesia
    I think it's a 64 but the serial numbers don't correspond and the pick gaurd doesn't look three ply
     
  4. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2017
    Messages:
    2,707
    Likes Received:
    3,475
    Serial numbers from that era are unreliable for dating purposes. Look inside the control cavity and check the pot codes. If pots are original, they will indicate the earliest year the guitar was built.

    Pot Code Format
    137YYWW
    137 = CTS
    YY = Year
    WW = Week

    Example: 1376421

    137 = CTS
    YY = 64 (1964)
    WW = 21 (21st week of 1964)

    Truss Rod Cover plate does not appear to be original. It is too large overlapping the the bottom of the split diamond inlay on the headstock.
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2019
  5. coxisingapore

    coxisingapore New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2014
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Bali, Indonesia
    I checked a bunch of photos of 64 customs and all have this large truss rod cover that overlaps the diamond, must be a thing
     
  6. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2017
    Messages:
    2,707
    Likes Received:
    3,475
    It could be.

    I found this one...

    https://reverb.com/item/17769274-vi...electric-guitar-w-ohsc-all-original-one-owner

    The one in above link is close, but not overlapping the inlay.

    I can't help but to notice things that look out of place such as on a late 60's SG, the selector switch and washer is placed right up on the edge of the guard which makes it look like an afterthought IMO compared to all the other years where it was not so close to the guard. It doesn't bother me where it's located, just an observation.

    [​IMG]

    So what did the pot codes end up dating to?
     
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2019
  7. PermissionToLand

    PermissionToLand Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2013
    Messages:
    1,808
    Likes Received:
    1,510
    '63 or '64. Can't say any more specifically without pot codes. Looks mostly original. TRC looks newer though.

    It's three-ply. The bottom layer is always really thin with Gibson. 5-ply always looks like 4, especially on a guitar like this where the bottom layer matches and blends into the body color.
     
    cerebral gasket likes this.
  8. coxisingapore

    coxisingapore New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2014
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Bali, Indonesia
     
  9. coxisingapore

    coxisingapore New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2014
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Bali, Indonesia
    Ah Thank you. I have taken the plunge Potcodes unseen and put down a deposit. (my fourth SG). Once i take delivery I will open her up for a look see and will let you know, appreciate the help.
     
  10. Richard

    Richard New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2013
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Haarlem, The Netherlands
    The bad news: PAF pickup that is shown looks like fake. Decal looks not authentic and I miss the L markings where the two screws are attached. I could be wrong, but if they are fakes, it would devaluate the guitar with at least 3000$ if the rest is original. I also miss the gold plated knob pointers. Honestly, the headstock looks fake too as the paint is covering the diamond shape and the GIBSON mark. The tenor cover is missing the two screws........ I would stay away from it.
     
  11. Richard

    Richard New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2013
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Haarlem, The Netherlands
    One other thing, the tuners are dull and corroded. Normaly they should be smooth and the gold layer should be disappearing because of the use. A lot of the relic guys forget these things.
     
  12. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2017
    Messages:
    2,707
    Likes Received:
    3,475
    The stamping on the serial number looks odd. Never seen that before where some digits appear larger than the others. Look at the 7,5, and 1.
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2019
  13. papagayo

    papagayo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2018
    Messages:
    830
    Likes Received:
    873
    This is a fake, I can buy it to halp you .

    :rofl:;)
     
  14. HackeIommi

    HackeIommi Active Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2019
    Messages:
    244
    Likes Received:
    205
    Whatever these guys offer, plus 100 bucks!! I am no.1 hater of this fake guitars! :D:D

    I can't know the year but maaaan!! This is a great guitar!! Nice catch!
    :cheers:
     
  15. Girl_Rock

    Girl_Rock Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2018
    Messages:
    108
    Likes Received:
    117
    Also the 8. The 5 in the middle seems that it was a 6 or an 8, if you look at its left side and its bottom, it looks as if a 5 has been printed on a curved-shaped number.
     
    cerebral gasket likes this.
  16. coxisingapore

    coxisingapore New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2014
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Bali, Indonesia
    i pulled out of this sale in the end, qnd have store credit. Thanks to advice given here. there was no "L shape" machine marks on PAf's, the stickers didn't glow under UV and the pots had been replaced. Too much didn't match, thanks guys! I will keep searching for the dream custom
     
  17. Gibbo SG

    Gibbo SG Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2016
    Messages:
    211
    Likes Received:
    54
    Offer $1,200 and walk if they dont want to sell. Too many red flags for vintage pricing.
     
  18. Gibbo SG

    Gibbo SG Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2016
    Messages:
    211
    Likes Received:
    54
    I'd escort that SG for the evening! Lemme know the time and place so I can get my tuxedo ready!:)
     
    SG John likes this.
  19. SG John

    SG John Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2006
    Messages:
    3,293
    Likes Received:
    1,744
    Location:
    North of Boston, on Atlantic

    I have a couple of guitars that have similar pitting. Usually comes from playing a sweaty gig, not wiping it down, then forgetting to do so for another week or two. The repeat several times over many years. Besides, the gold wears away quite quickly when used regularly, and you're left with the base material. I've never seen any type of plating for guitar parts meet the same quality as higher end motorcycle parts. My '59 Harley puts up with far more abuse than my guitars, and the plating looks much better. If you have acidic sweat, it will be pitted in no time.
     
  20. dub-setter

    dub-setter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2013
    Messages:
    540
    Likes Received:
    274
    Location:
    berlin
    :shock:
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice