Epiphone 50th Anniversary 1961 SG wiring upgrade?

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  1. ChaseB

    ChaseB Well-Known Member

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    I was wanting to upgrade the pots caps and wiring in my 2011 1961 Epiphone SG Special with Emerson kit like my 61 Reissue SG. Is it a drop in or will the holes for the pots and switch need to be enlarged? Just ream it out with a drill bit I suppose?

    Thanks!

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    I detail how I did mine in my build thread. Harbor Freight reamer and a step bit in a bit type screwdriver. Be careful, it can be easy to screw it up.

    If you approach it carefully like I did, you should be fine. However, if you go H.A.M. on it, I can about guarantee you'll regret it.

    Someone's gonna come along and say take it to a Luthier because a n00b is too incompetent to do a simple job like this....whatever man. Be gentle, let the tool do the work and don't force it.
     
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    I'm glad you commented haha, I would have probably just drilled it out and paint would be chipping everywhere.... I may just solder in new capacitors and call it a day!
     
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    Many moons ago, when I replaced the electronics in my G400 with a prebuilt harness with CTS Pots, I used a pencil with sandpaper wrapped around it to enlarge the holes.:rofl:
    Didn't take as long as I thought and smooth as a baby's ass. :smile:
    Good Luck!! :cheers:
     
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    I've never had any trouble with the stock pots and caps in this one. Why do you want to change them ? If you want different cap values OK. But if you just want to put in a more expensive of nicer color one, the only change you'll see is when you open up the cavity cover to look at it. Same with pots, unless you want to go linear instead of audio taper, or vice-versa.

    Some say the Epi toggle doesn't last. If you spray it with lubricant every now and then, it'll go on performing as it should for a long time. Same with pots.
    As cheap as it goes for enlarging a hole. Even better, sandpaper wrapped around any tapered flat piece of wood.
     
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    Pretty much my experience, with one exceptional G-400 that had a fried Vol pot from Jump Street. I find more "bad" pots and electronics in the very low end Chinese and Malaysian instruments, usually dime sized pots.
     
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    I was getting some scratchy sounds in the pots and switch but sprayed them with Deoxit yesterday and all is well again! Do you know the pot and cap specs on these? 500k .022?
     
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    That was OEM spec in my 2005.
     
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    Yeah, power tools are unnecessary for this sort of thing.

    Re: changing stuff out.
    It's probably not needed, but if you choose to upgrade your pots & caps I prefer tight tolerances to stated spec above and beyond the "mojo" of PIO "magic tone beans". Art of Tone has some 5% 525k pots that I highly recommend.

    As for caps, I bought some of these for my axe, nice tight 5% tolerance and radial leads. I'm still running the Radio Shack Chiclets mentioned in the thread, but even though I'm happy so far, but I'm still a tinkerer so I may swap the Mallorys in later on.

    On the other hand, I may not.
     
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    There you go.
    I don't remember specs on the '61 P90, just sold mine yesterday.
     
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    Yeah, Deoxit has saved many an OEM pot.
     
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    Regret it, yet? Nah, but I have sold guitars, like my first Epi G-400, because I had others so nearly identical and regretted it the next day. Some others, too.
     
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    Ha ha ... not yet. I will probably sentimentally eventually, but I wasn't to hot about the skinny neck.
    When I got that nice white Jay Turser SG with a baseball like neck a while ago (this one is gone too), I realized how much more I like substantial necks. Since then, it became a must in my guitar searching.

    Now ... should I go for that 400 Canadian dollars 2014 LP Melody Maker ?
     
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    Are you turning into Adrian?
     
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    Haha, no worries there. I'm at when one guitar comes in, another has to leave.

    I'm just learning what I really want. I now know P90s are my thing. I know thick necks are too. Light weight is also a big factor. I learn all this through trading, because I can't go to a local store to try different things. The closest is a 2 hour drive away.

    So if today I had to keep just one of my 5 guitars, it would be the PRS SE Soapbar. It checks in all the boxes ... and more. Close second is the Epi LP Special One.
     
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    I've fallen in love with my Epi SG Special again as I'm learning some Sabbath songs again and those P90s get me so close to that early Sabs tone! Now that I've gotten rid of the crackles with Deoxit I'll probably leave it alone. It does have 500k pots and .022 capacitors. I don't think I'll see much improvement by swapping them out. Not for the price I would pay anyway. May drop in a tone bleed and call it a day!
     
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    That's just over $300 usd? I would. My son does not consider the neck that big, however and calls it rounder than big? He is comparing it with my Wildkat and Dot Deluxe necks.
     
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    Humm ... could you give me a measure at 5th fret let's say, for the MM ?

    My PRS SE I'd say 15/16" or 24mm.
    The Epi Special P90, 7/8" or 22cm.
    Yeah, very tempting, but I just bought a Ibanez TSA15H.
    I know I know, you just live once ...
     
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    Those are exactly what I use. Easy to handle, tight tolerance, usually better than specced. I.e. closer than the 5% they're rated at. And being sealed metal film they don't have any issues with hydrophilia etc. I buy like 20 of each value at a time and keep them handy to put the value I like in whatever guitar.
     
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