Epiphone SG G400 bridge question

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  1. straydogger69

    straydogger69 New Member

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    I noticed that the adjustment screws on my G400 are on the pickup side. Kinda hard to get to. Looking around the web at pictures it seems most Epi's have them that way. Gibson SG's seem to have them facing the tailpiece. Is there a reason for this? What ya think?
     
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    eS.G. Well-Known Member

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    The basic rule of THUMB is there is NO RULE OF THUMB ;)

    Typically it is based on personal preference....what works best to achieve intonation and or .....what the guy at the factory did:naughty:

    Its all good turn it and tune ! :dude:
     
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    youll see them every which way
     
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    Well, I think at the next string change I'm turning them around to point to the tailpiece. Easier to get at that way. Thanks for your info...
     
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    eS.G. Well-Known Member

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    ROCK ON! :dude:
     
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    well Technically the string saddles slope toward the tailpiece but youll see them all ways.especially on Gibson/Epiphone ABR-1 style bridges.mainlycause the ABR -1 is narrow and they turn the string saddles around backwards i call it to get the intonation correct.case in point my Epi Casino has a Gotoh ABR -1 bridge and it has 3 saddles one dirrection and 3 the other direction.youll see this even on Gibsons so theres really no real right or wrong as Mr eSG says.Technical right or wrong ?? yes but in reality NO
     
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    My Epi had a gold ABR type bridge with the screws facing the tailpiece, I swapped it for a Nashville style TonePros that has them facing the pickup. The tech set it up that way and given the set screw placement on the bridge that seems to be what TonePros had in mind. My Gibsons have the screws facing the pickup too.

    All of my bridges have the saddles sitting roughly in the middle properly intonated so that doesn't explain it in my case.
     
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    Happy Thanksgiving, my American friends!! I agree with eSG. My guitars have them every which way so that it is whatever works for the builder or for you.
     
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    That's what I did and it's been working for me for 5 years with no problems.
     
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    Sigh. It's because of the design of the frame and the size of the screws. On either tune-o-matic bridge you DON'T want the string to touch the back of the bridge frame OR the intonation screws as it crosses the bridge. On the ABR-1, since the screw heads are larger than those of the Nashville, it makes sense to orient the ABR-1 with the screws facing the neck, next to the pickup. But what do designers and engineers know, anyhow?
    :io:
     
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    My only concern for flipping this around solely for appearance or adjustment screw ease of access comes when the saddles have been properly notched & the low E notch is wider & deeper than the high E notch. If the guitar was notched professionally there will be a size difference in these notches & flipping the bridge will change things & even potentially affect tone & or note purity on the high strings (E & B).

    If you flip a properly notched bridge around, the Low E will now sit higher & the high E slightly lower. There will also be the potential for that fat low E string to be knocked loose of the saddle with heavy strumming & aggressive note attack. The high E will now have a saddle that is not only lower but too wide. This can also allow the string to sit to low & have the sides of the string touch the notch around it when it vibrates causing note atrifacts & or a slightly sitar like buzz.

    If you have a Vibrola or Bigsby & switch the bridge with properly cut saddles around you will also be opening up the potential for the wound strings to now grab & bind on the too small notches on their saddles.

    So look at your saddles. Is your low E sitting on a deeper wider cut saddle & the high E sitting on a nice small notch?? If so, leave it. Once your intonation is properly set it makes no difference where the screws are. You can deal with this, believe me.

    If you really want to switch it around & find the saddles are properly notched, consider removing the saddles & reinstalling them in the string positions they were cut for. You can also take that opportunity to decide whether you want the saddle angle facing the pickup or the tail piece. I like the angle facing the tailpiece & a sharp 90`ledge on the playing side myself.

    Hey, I know I'm being picky but everything should be considered & well, this is the thread for such minutia on the topic to be brought up & discussed.
     
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    Now that's a good point. Never thought about the string notches. I'll have to take real close look. You IF it was notched professionally there will be a size difference. I'm pretty sure it's a stock Epiphone bridge. Having said that, would you consider that a "professional" job? Are the Epiphone builders THAT professional? LOL Now ya got me thinkin'....
     
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    A professional or in the case of a stock Epiphone, you should easily see differences in the half-circle diameter cut / notch. Once flipped the notch work usually gets messed up from the fatter wound strings & is never the same, especially on nylon saddles.
     
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    I know what you mean. I'll be checkin' it....thanks.
     
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    lol i ran into this especially when i bought the 400 from mr lineboat online off the classifieds on this page.......i went around and looked at all the pics online to see how there were setup and almost all of them had the heads of the screws on the pickup side so thats how ive put them on the 400 and my 310 didnt seem to make that much of a difference cept when there on the pickup side there a bit easiar to get at to adjust..........just sayin....lol.....
     
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    Mine faces the pickup as well. It is a bit awkward, but I didn't find it all that difficult to get at.
    How often do you check / adjust the intonation?
    Outside of a string gauge change or substantial action height change, which are major setup changes. Or a new nut, bridge, etc. again major changes.
    I could see checking it after a seasonal truss rod adjustment as well.
    Do you guys adjust that frequently?
     
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    you just made me look at my 400 and sure enough 3 are pointed one way and the other 3 the other....with the heads of the screws on the pickup side......things that make you go ...hmmmmmmmmm......lol
     
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    Finally got mine the way I want it. Changed out the pots, jack, switch and caps with a prewired 50's setup from Jonesyblues. 500k CTS pots that measure 550K and 530K. PIO caps and Switchcraft jack and switch. Changed the knobs to the correct ones and now it's a real nice geetar.....sticking with the stock pickups for now but............you guys know how THAT goes.....:cool:....It was worth the money to make the changes...........:D[​IMG]
     
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