Fake Gibson SG?

Discussion in 'SG Copies' started by Matteo, Mar 15, 2018.

  1. Matteo

    Matteo New Member

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    I found this guitar in a shop yesterday. It is advertised as a 1997 Gibson SG and sold for 800 euro. However, something does not look right to me. For example, passing the finger on the Gibson logo you can feel that it is not smooth at all. Also, the "Made in USA" engraving in the back of the headstock seems poor. What do you think?

    Thanks.

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    AngelDeVille Well-Known Member

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    IF it was a fake it would probably be smooth and have no issues.

    It does look a little too off though.
     
  3. JazzyJeff

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    Most fakes I have seen stamp the Made In USA too low (this one is in the correct spot) and too big (this one looks like the right font) I can't see straight on, but the bridge looks correct. those can be changed, but it is a good place to start. no screw slot in the posts and not huge compared to the USA bridge posts. the pickup surrounds have black screws, also correct. The ends of the frets are bound, also correct. The tuners, I don't know what the current tuners were at the time, but even I am guilty of swapping those on a perfectly good Gibson (sad). SO, first glance and without getting inside it, looks good.
     
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    it's got !$%&*$##! nibs on the neck binding...

    I don't think they make fake Gibsons with nibs, it's too hard to get right.
    That's one of the reasons Gibson does it. I could be wrong about that.
    But a real Gibson should have the nibs and the frets very nicely smoothed
    together, so that strings don't get caught in the crevice between them.
    We see posts by guys who bought a new Gibson and find fault with this
    feature, expecting seamless action and not getting it. So they aren't always
    perfect. But that's one way to spot a real Gibson, in the quality of the work.

    I would NEVER buy a guitar with nibs, because I think they look dorky and are
    more trouble than they are worth. But as a Gibson mark of workmanship, the
    nibs can separate the real ones from the fake. We spot fakes by looking at how
    well the detailing is done.

    Sometimes on the painted models, the serial number and the 'made in USA"
    logo are filled in with a lot of paint and undercoating. You see this on the white
    ones especially. So this one looks okay to me. But we can't spot fakes if given
    blurry pictures.
     
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    It is a real Gibson. I'd say buy it if it's a good deal.
     
  6. Jason

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    Tuners look to be non original
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    The impressions from the original washers with threaded hex head tuner bushings are visible.
     
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  8. Matteo

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    Thank you for all the replies, and sorry for the blurry pictures (my cell phone is far from being "last generation"). I am really glad that, apart from the tuners, it's original. I will seriously consider buying it: 800 euro seems a good deal.
     
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    Fake or not, I can't really say I'm a fan of the dick cheese yellow binding
     
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    Smoker's delight!
     
  11. Isaac1998

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    Same guestion here is this real bought it for 850 at my local shop.
     

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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Descenders on the "G" and "n" of headstock logo are missing.

    Pics of the back of the headstock?
    Serial number and stamping, tuners?
    What does the control cavity look like?

    The Nashville bridge posts look recent, 2015 or newer and the white binding would place it at 2017 or newer. Most of the 2016 and older have cream or pink binding.

    Pickups not stock.

    Tuner buttons are metal keystones found on Grovers, but not stock for this era. More pics of the backside needed to confirm.
     
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  13. Isaac1998

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    Has grover tuners and its a 2017 model according to the headstock looked up the serial number and it said it was built in nashvile in 2017 but I heard you can't trust serial numbers for some reason.
     
  14. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Since it is a garden variety 2017 SG Standard, the first two digits of the serial number will be the last two digits of the year. Below the "Made in USA" stamp should be a "2017 Model" stamp as well.

    If the "1" on the serial number does not have a serif, then it is fake. A red flag for a bogus serial number would be an incorrect font.

    The binding is the correct color for that year.

    The logo appears legit, not sure why the descenders are missing, maybe chipped off or was a Friday afternoon special.
     
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    It had an accident the headstock snapped so I guess thats why it was missing but I'll have to double check when I get home and I'll snap a Photo.
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    The logo makes sense now with the headstock repair. I thought the edges looked faded from earlier photos and now it is clear that it is overspray from the headstock repair. You can also see the orange peel from the refinish.

    The serial number font and other stampings definitely appear legit.

    There are nibs on the fret ends which also makes it a legit Gibson.

    The locking Grover tuners are the same as the stock ones. The only difference is that the buttons are keystones instead of kidney beans.

    The original pickups were 57 Classics.

    Knobs have been changed from black top hats to reflectors.

    Truss rod cover plate changed from "SG" to blank.

    Very nice SG.
     
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    Yeah now its an emg 85 on the bridge and 81 on the neck, but was it much of an upgrade from the 57s?
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Depends on who you ask.
    Many folks here favor the 57 Classics.
     
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    Im an emg fan so I didn't mind that it was changed(and the guitar sounds great) just wondering now if I should go buy some 57s? I'll have to go back to the store and try a stock sg and see which sound I like better.
     

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