Finally! NAD! Boss Katana 50

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  1. MetalSG

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    I suppose you use a Mesa cab. Which speaker?.
     
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    At home a 1x12 with a Mesa/Celestion C-90. At the rehearsal space a 4x12 loaded with Eminence Private Jacks.

    In deference to Raiyn I will now cease speaking Mesa in this thread!!
     
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    Ok me too:(
     
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    Raiyn Well-Known Member

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    :lol:

    Yeah that last hint was as subtle as a sledgehammer. :rofl:
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    Thanks you guys. :cheers:
     
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    Do you guys who have purchased the 50 see any issues with it only have two preset slots as opposed to the 100's four and the lack of a presence control and effects loop?
    I don't have an effects loop in my current amp so I don't see that as an issue should I get the 50 Katana, but wasn't sure if possibly having to run a couple of pedals to cover all the sounds i currently need for a gig defeats the purpose?
    Seeing as I was blown away with the base tones on board I don't think it's an issue, but I haven't had the experience of owning the amp either.
     
  7. MetalSG

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    You're welcome. By the way, which reverb and delay pedals come from the factory, and which ones can you download?
     
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    I didn't buy the amp to gig, I bought it as a practice / f around with friends amp so the missing channels don't bother me so much. If I needed more, I could write down some settings as the Tone Studio software shows you where the settings are for each patch.

    Factory delays are Digital, Analog, and Tape Echo. Reverbs are Plate, Spring, and Hall.

    You don't download pedals, they all actually exist on the amp.

    The Tone Studio software provides an interface to access them. Patches, ("Live Sets") on the other hand are merely setting instructions downloaded to the PC and uploaded to the amp. You can have effects in the patch that aren't "loaded" on the panel giving you more options.

    KATANA Effects
    Boosters

    1. CLEAN BOOST
    2. TREBLE BOOST
    3. MID BOOST
    4. CRUNCH OD
    5. BLUES DRIVE (BOSS BD-2)
    6. OVERDRIVE (BOSS OD-1)
    7. NATURAL OD
    8. WARM OD
    9. TURBO OD (BOSS OD-2)
    10. T-SCREAM (Ibanez TS-808)
    11. DISTORTION
    12. FAT DS
    13. DST+ (MXR DISTORTION+)
    14. GUV DS (Marshall GUV’NOR)
    15. RAT (Proco RAT)
    16. METAL ZONE (BOSS MT-2)
    17. METAL DS
    18. '60S FUZZ (FUZZFACE)
    19. MUFF FUZZ (E-H Big Muff Pi)
    20. OCT FUZZ


      MOD/FX

    21. CHORUS
    22. FLANGER
    23. PHASER
    24. UNI-V (Uni-Vibe)
    25. TREMOLO
    26. VIBRATO
    27. ROTARY
    28. RING MOD
    29. SLOW GEAR
    30. SLICER
    31. COMPRESSOR
    32. LIMITER
    33. TOUCH WAH
    34. AUTO WAH
    35. PEDAL WAH
    36. GRAPHIC EQ
    37. PARAMETRIC EQ
    38. GUITAR SIM
    39. AC.GUITAR SIM
    40. AC. PROCESSOR
    41. WAVE SYNTH
    42. OCTAVE
    43. PITCH SHIFTER
    44. HARMONIST
    45. HUMANIZER (no idea)

      DELAY

    46. DIGITAL
    47. ANALOG
    48. TAPE ECHO
    49. REVERSE
    50. MODULATE

      REVERB

    51. PLATE
    52. ROOM
    53. HALL 1
    54. SPRING
    55. MODULATE
    BONUS: NOISE SUPPRESSOR
     
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    Cheers mate :thumb:
     
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    Raiyn Well-Known Member

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    I suppose I should state the obvious: If I were gigging, I'd get one of the 100s depending on needs.
     
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    Same here. I went with the 50 as a practice solution.
    I have played around with the amp in a band setting and while it is technically loud enough it doesn't have the projection or cut you would need to gig and you run out of headroom pretty quick.

    I would definitely be looking at the 100 if I was planning to gig one of these. That one is absolutely going to be giggable.
     
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    This response got me thinking. How is Boss coming up with the advertised power ratings? The K 100 and K 50 consumes 77 watts and 47 watts respectively. I don't see how these amps can produce 100 and 50 watts RMS! Maybe "peak" watts? A 50 watt guitar amp should absolutely rattle your rooms windows. A 100 watt guitar amp should be able to rattle your neighbors windows. In my little world of minimal knowledge of electronics, I'm theorizing that K 100's power rating is more like a 25 watt class AB tube amp, and the K 50 is more like a 15 watter. I'm not trying to poo-poo the Katanas. In fact, I'm very interested in the K's. But the power ratings? Come on... :(
     
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    Very likely peak and that very likely at a high frequency.

    TBH, It's pretty loud for a SS power section, but it is not even close to as loud as my Mark 5 running in 10-watt mode. Let alone what the Mark is capable of at 25-watts.

    The K-50 is loud enough for a band setting that includes another guitarist and a reasonable drummer. If you have John Bonham behind you or you are the only guitar forget it - too much sonic space to fill and it's already out of headroom; you will need the 100.
     
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    Cheers for the responses 50 Vs 100 watt versions. Really appreciate it.
    I can attest to the 50 being loud. I played one for about 20 mins the other day and my ears hurt afterwards (but I nay have sensitive ears and it was in a small room in a music store). The volume was way more than I usually play my AC15 at in my band so I have no issues that I could use a 50 in my band (we don't play loud). BTW the AC can go pretty loud, but I don't need to go there (unforunately :dude:).
    In saying that, the extra headroom would be handy to have if needed. Now I guess the question is; do I need a 2 x 12? :hmm:
     
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    Great question. IMO it depends on the specific cabs and speakers in question. I'd put my little open-back 1x12 Mesa cab up against the majority of 2x12's out there that don't say Mesa, Bogner or Orange on the front of them. I'd try out as many different cabs as you can with the amp you are using to see what works for you as far as projection, ambiance and overall tonality. Since sealed-back cabs can be really directional and even a bit clinical sounding you may find that you prefer an open back.
     
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    {Copypasta}
    Its due to the high efficiency final power amp in Katana - it can deliver 100 watts audio power to the 8 ohm speaker , while drawing only 77 watts from the AC mains via the AC power cord.
    (reference)
    http://www.rocketroberts.com/techart/powerart_a.htm
    http://www.marketing.labgruppen.com/webservices/dh.ashx?t=qv&v=6104

    Bridged Amplifier Switching Hybrid) amplifiers, introduced in the mid 1990s as a 'best of both worlds' solution for audio amplification, combine the sound quality of Class AB with the efficiency of a Class D amplifier. While a Class AB amp uses fixed supply voltage regardless of input signal, BASH uses power supply modulation to track the input signal, supplying only the necessary voltage to its Class AB amp.
    {/Copypasta}

    The 50 DOES rattle my windows.
     
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    That is ... impressive!. You have a lot of tweaking to do!.
     
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    One of the key points I used to justify it to SWMBO was the sheer number of pedals I wouldn't need to buy....... :rofl:

    Say you average them out @ $100 each (we know better, but work with me) that's $5400 in savings once you buy the amp.:naughty:

    I still plan on a multi effects unit down the road.
     
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    Uhm ... it sounds like I will have 5400 good reasons to check this amp. Are there any lower power versions of it?.
     
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    The Katana 50 is the lowest power version, but it has a power knob with 0.5W, 25W, and 50W settings. They all have the half watt, half power, full power settings so it's even more versatile.
     

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