Gibson SG Disc Capacitors

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  1. eS.G.

    eS.G. Well-Known Member

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    Well the Epiphony/Gibson has the orange-ish brown disc

    the 2013 SG Future Tribute has ----WTF ever these tiny little yellow things are?!?!?!?!?!?!

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    THOUGHTS? SUggestions? should I put 200.00 worth of vintage BUMBLE BEEs in it???? ----I mena we know I WON'T but----just asking for Corksniffery purposes
     
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    What? No, no get some of the reissue ones for $113 They're super "authentic".

    Originally Posted by 5F6-A[​IMG]
    There were some doubts about how real the new Gibson bumblebee caps were. I was told by a friend the caps that Gibson installs these days in its Historic Custom Shop guitars weren't real bumblebees at all. We wanted to find out for sure so my pal ( who is a vet ) x-rayed one and opened one from his R9 LP. This is the result:

    Photo of both caps. One is real and the other one is a modern cap labeled as bumbleblee cap by Gibson :

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    We x-ray the real one and this is the result:
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    We x-ray the new one and ... What the heck is this?
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    My friend got his pen knife out and found a decent ( yet plastic ) Wesco capacitor within the fancier bumblebee clone:
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    Isn't that outrageous or what??!! ​
     
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    Just use a cheaper PIO cap like one from WD Music

    Bumblebees are just corksniffery

    There's a sucker born every minute
     
  4. Raiyn

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    True, but even those are ridiculously priced snake oil.
     
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    $10 is a hell of a lot cheaper than $113
     
  6. Raiyn

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    True, but the Radio Shack ones I posted above were $2 for the pair, and my Tropical Fish were $7.94 for 4 of them (2 of each value) shipped nicely.
     
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    Look like Cornell Dubilier but I can't see what they have stamped on them. Thats been changed around? Mine has a PCB control board. Anyway the caps if as I assume are $2.50 and suppose to be pretty decent.
     
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    Hi, those tiny yellow caps are multi layer ceramic type. Cheers
     
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  9. eS.G.

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    Thanks "H" ---interesting.....well I mean the thing sounds amazing so I see no need to go through the snake oil and change process ---but was curious ---because they seem very small.
     
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    You can buy 50 metal film polyester caps for $25 or less delivered. If you're paying much more, you're paying more for nothing.
     
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    Though I will use ceramic discs without hesitation, (witness my Jackson rewiring thread at the link below), there is a legitimate complaint against them. Ceramic disc caps need to have a moisture-proof coating. If the coating is compromised or was insufficient to begin with, the capacitor can absorb humidity over time, which will affect their performance.

    But, the original ceramic discs are still in my '74 SG, and I have no complaints.

    http://www.everythingsg.com/threads/rewiring-a-jackson.30026/
     
  12. Raiyn

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    I'll go up to a couple bucks each before shipping for the sake of convenience and so I don't have to store 48 of something I might not use. If I was doing this professionally, or suddenly had more project guitars than RVA, I'd certainly buy in bulk at the lower rate.
     
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    Yeah Last time I bought some it was about 10 of them for $5 or so plus $2 or $3 shipping. But my main point stands that paying $5 or $10 per cap is just kinda crazy. And paying $50 for a vintage bumblebee is way past that.
     
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    At our factory, if we pay more than half a cent for a cap, we have to provide a specific technical reason why no other cap will do the job. And that gets reviewed monthly.
     
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    I totally agree. When it came to the Fish, I paid like 75ยข each the rest was shipping. Nice shipping too, boarded and in a bubble envelope. It probably would have been cheaper had I ordered the 15's and 22's at the same time, but I ordered them months apart.
     
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    Same guitar....

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    I think the "or what" may need to be defined, may even be criminal. Basically what it is is Wesco caps in a bumble bee shell.

    http://www.filmcapacitors.com/#
     
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    'When it came to the Fish'

    Are they mutually exclusive to caps? lol Can we use them TOO? The bumble bee wraps have to be authorized and actually manufactured by Wesco imho. Very costly and deceptive bull at the very least imho. Thats an interesting dissection above though. :) Very telling!
     
  18. 67plexi

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    I think they make a difference the real ones from the 1950'S I got a amp that was full of them.

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    Don't use any kind of cap that dates from the 50s. They certainly won't be anywhere near spec, and there is a good chance they are actually dead.
     
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    Tech Tuesday [on Monday], not good for paper caps...

     
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