Greco SG standard refinish and re-shaping

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  1. Satellitedog

    Satellitedog Active Member

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    Thanks, I now see it, but this is really not something that bothers me, the knobs don't feel crowded the way they are now. But as said, if the costs are reasonable, I may have them relocated.
     
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    Could not have said it better my self, perfect pic
    Cheers
     
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    Minor RANT:

    I hate our Postal service right now... I've ordered a 5 ply pickguard for my SG, that shipped out last Thursday according Crazyparts.de the German guitar parts specialist dealing in high end reproduction and aged parts., and the lower cutaway beveling will be determined by the curvature of the new pg, also the lower body edge contour re-sanding/scraping could be affected by its shape (it's basically the same layout as the Montreux Time Machine pickguard, but a lot cheaper, coming from a Japanese factory), so until it gets here those lines have to wait, and the work has been flowing at a relaxed pace already.

    Germany is very close to Hungary, I can get to Northernmost Germany in a day by train, and I did actually travel back from Hamburg once just like that and used to travel to and from Berlin a couple of times in the past most recently last November, by car, and it took us about 10 hours or thereabouts.

    I'm assuming the order has reached Budapest by the weekend, and now it's in the cold, lifeless hands of a collapsed postal-system, rendered immobile by the "unexpected rush of online Christmas shopping" (I've been doing that for years, this was the first time they failed to deliver) and the bloody brilliant PR idea of our Beloved Leader... erm, Prime Minister to send a gift-voucher worth $35 to every old age pensioner in the country by post, a week and a half before Christmas... FFS... Utter effin chaos, people including paying customers and old age pensioners are still waiting for their parcels and orders and vouchers to arrive, with zero information on when that's going to happen from the Post. I hope the suits enjoy their Xmas premiums.

    I still haven't received three books I've ordered from the UK at the start of December, but those were for myself, so they didn't sour our family Christmas, but it's beyond ridiculous now, and this pickguard better get here this week or else I'll find a fierce dog and train it to bite the masterminds at the logistics central of the Hungarian Post in the nuts. What a wunch of bankers...

    rant over.
     
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  4. Satellitedog

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    :-D
    Rants can be like rain dances... the pickguard has arrived, matches the blueprint 100%, will take it to the luthier as soon as possible, probably tomorrow mid-afternoon (before noon for US timezones)

    If there's any progress worth taking photos of, I will document it.

    Best,
    SD
     
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    Alright, went to the luthier after work, lets call him Tom from now on, instead of the epithet "the luthier"...
    He did some work, but I'll wait a bit for more striking results to take photos.
    He did shape the uneven thickness of the waist area very nicely, also the upper horn is coming into shape, as is the lower horn, but it is better we spoke and looked at the guitar in person, to clarify the plan.
    If all the woodwork ends up this nicely, I'll be rather satisfied, and that is surely a good thing to rest by at the end of a week.

    The new pickguard fits nicely (the lip between the pickups won't need sanding, or if it does, not more than 1 mm altogether, whew...) and we could finally draw in the related contours' new lines precisely.

    I'll drop by with some printed out reference photos tomorrow as well, hope there will be reason to snap some pics.

    Lest I forget: the dark reddish-brown of the wood in the previous photos of the stripped guitar is just a result of the base-coat which was still intact then. Where he rasped away some/sanded the wood, the lovely light-pink-brown of mahogany is shining through, very nice.
     
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    ypnos Well-Known Member

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    That's great, really looking forward to see the end result of this. What colour are you gonna finish the guitar?
     
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    Most likely the same Polaris white as it was originally (like in the first photos on the previous page).
    That's probably my favorite SG color, along with aged Pelham Blue and TV or solid sun/industrial safety warning yellow. I was weighing which of these to go with, but it is most likely going to be a modern poly finish, not nitro (but very thin) and I don't want to go too heavy, so the aged PB is out (too many layers with the tinted clear) and the body is a multi-piece, so I'd stay with a solid color.
    I was fantasizing about heather metallic too, looks great on an SG, R'n'R Relics made one in that colour. But that's a mood colour not one for my main solidbody... So it's most likely going to be P. White.
     
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    bwotw Well-Known Member

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    Any progress on this? Can't wait to see how it looks!
     
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    I would like to see that scarf joint on the neck you spoke of earlier before its painted.
     
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    Hey, thanks for your inquiry!

    I didn't talk to Tom in a while, but will call him to ask what's up once the workload eases a bit. Honestly I wasn't thinking about the project too much in the last two weeks.

    I'll need to measure pickups/routing/string spacing and pole piece spacing, so I'll have a reason to visit him too.
    Been thinking about upgrading the neck pickup to a PAF or P90 type. Probably gonna go for a Manlius PAF if the price calculations are favorable with UK/EU winders' similar products, and get a cheaper HB sized P90 just to see how it works in the SG.

    You mean the headstock? I didn't take pictures of that because the wing bits are pretty hard to distinguish from the main 'paddle'. But it's basically quite similar to what Epiphone does, with the main headstock bit a regular scarf joint, and the wings hugging the head-neck joint-line from the sides.

    Anyways I'll be taking a bunch of pictures of the guitar when the woodworking is done, and try to take a usable pic of the hs joint too.

    Honestly I'm pretty exhausted in recent days, so your enthusiasm is a nice reminder. Thanks folks!
     
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    As long as you're going solid color, I'd go with the Banana Yellow. It's a rare color, striking in person. I mean you get to pick, why go conventional?

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    Yeah, I love this, wish it was a standard colour choice. It is in my top three SG finishes. Quite close to "industrial safety yellow" which I adore, but polaris white is my first choice I guess. Thing is, it's a tough decision, as I would just as gladly pick up a yellow guitar daily as a white one, but not more. This means I need another SG. So...

    When I inevitably build my own SG in the coming months/year (I want to sign up for a place at one of the well equipped community woodworking workshop spaces in the near future to learn ww. basics and build some furniture and an SG), it will be either Aged Pelham or a similar yellow to the above RI.
     
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    Oh and by the way I took the time today to write Tom an email to inquire about the progress. If he's plowed forward I'll go and take pics early next week, weather and work allowing. We've had a couple of days of freezing rain, and I live on a hillside, not as fun as proper skating... :-/
     
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    If by aged Pelham you mean that almost Teal color they turn as the clear coat yellows, I'm right there with you!! I love those!!
     
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    Yes, I mean the one that looks almost like a rose-chafer beetle.

    Something like this Standard CS VOS RI (I think it is a VOS): https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b6/63/70/b663705454b867867e204c06024e5240.jpg
    The examples are not my photos, so it felt off embedding them, so I just link to them, but they are APB finished guitars
    or this SG Special:
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e8/ff/0d/e8ff0d11e3315cbfc3872bd35f0fe353.jpg
    or this one:
    http://grounwide.com/assets/data/dsc_18622.jpg

    But burgundy mist/heather metallic also look really great on an SG.
     
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    Me too! That's the color that I originally wanted to have Lou spray my '62 Special when he resurrected it. Then we found out that the original color was Polaris White, so we went with that.


    That's my favorite SG/Les Paul style. Pelham Blue with a small guard. Add the Lyre, and it's the most beautiful guitar in the world.
     
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    Yeah it's a great colour.
    I really can't decide on just one tbh... I love the polaris, APB, yellow (solid and TV).

    I've decided to build myself an SG, if I can find a decent kit then that, but I'm ready to tackle a scratch-build, at least the woodworking part. Finishing will be left to Tom if he does a great job with my Greco, but I want a special next time. If I can find a nice community wood workshop (there are a couple around) I'm gonna join, and build some furniture and guitars.
     
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    cool thread/work...

    any upgrades planned for the electronics/parts ??
     
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    Forgot to quote...
     
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    Sorry Dub-setter, I didn't see your post, only the likes...

    Yes, there will be some changes and upgrades too, although there's nothing wrong with the current hardware and electronics. The previous owner upgraded the whole control cavity section to nice parts, with Switchcraft switch and jack connector, Tokyo Cosmos pots, smooth and very linear sounding with a super long useful travel. He also swapped the caps for nice ones, one orange-drop style and a black-beauty. I measured stuff, and weirdly for a far-East guitar the hardware seems to be in inches, rather than millimeters. (don't know whether the prev. owner had it modded for imperial, or if it was factory)

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    I don't know what pickups are in there, but I saw no legending on them, they sound okay, I liked the guitar as is, but I'd like a more PAF sounding neck pup that's more sensitive and can bark easily, plus I hate the cheap looking chrome covers. I'm either going for a Manlius PAF (Landmark or 59 Light) or an Oil City classic output (not sure whether masterwound or regular) or Mojo pups vintage PAF with alnico 2.
    As for the bridge pup, I don't usually use it alone that much, so I may leave that one alone, or get a flavour pickup, like a P90 or Filtertron style. Not sure yet, but I'll deffo change the cover to a nickel one.

    As for other parts, I'd like to have all nickel hardware so it can be aged, or will age naturally (I hate shiny metals on guitars), and also want a lightweight alu tailpiece, since the guitar is not the lightest SG in the West, and every little thing counts. I'm considering Faber hardware for the bridge+tailpiece combo, but I saw Kluson selling ABR 1-s that are priced far more friendly.

    Tuners work fine and are lightweight, no change necessary there. I got a 5 ply B/W pickguard with the correct thick second white layer from Crazyparts.de and will probably get a set of 24 spline, split shaft 500 kOhm CTS (or TAD) pots purely so I can put regular Gibson style reflector knobs on the guitar. I like the current ones, they look good with the white finish, but I'd like to see it with proper knobs and pointers.

    That's about it I think.
     
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