guitar build | 'Sineater'

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  1. aisuru

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    [quote author=Justini link=topic=14012.msg181700#msg181700 date=1182735464]
    ahh okay i see, eh, not too extreme to imagine; but if i wanted something with a long horn on the lower edge i'd just go with an iceman
    [/quote]i quite like the Iceman. not big on most of their other designs though.
     
  2. aisuru

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    progress!

    Cpt. Circle-jack took time off from his busy schedule of piracy and looting to come up and make a start on the geetar.

    here's the Captain marking out the outline.
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    here's the neck
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    the neck clamped in place. after deliberation, we decided to go down the more traditional route and use screws instead ;D
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    here's me, wearing ma spiffy Jags hat, and routing out the pickup cavity
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    we need some more practice, i think. router cutters that don't slip would be nice too, as it between these problems it turned out kinda messy. we started off going in straight lines up the cavity, using the router's guide arm, but decided it was taking too long, so i tried some free-hand on it. still not the tidiest route, but the pickguard will becovering it, so we're not overly concerned.
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    then the cutter broke >:(
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    a quick visit to B&Q for a new set of cutters, and we were back to work...
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    ...preparing tinder for our next camping trip
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    nearly done the pickup cavity. decided on a strat-swimming-pool kinda thing, as we may end up putting in a third pickup later on.
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    plenty of room ( that's the old Epi pickups from my G-310, replaced by Bare Knuckles )
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    this is how it stands at the moment. neck pocket about 3/4 finished.
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    any suggestions on the best way to finish the neck pocket? the router slips occasionally, so we're not sure about using it or something else - possibly a chisel - to finish that part off before we start cutting the shape.
     
  3. TNT

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    The guys on TV make a guide out of particle board or something then they clamp it down to the work. The ball bearing on the cutter just rolls along the guide. They make it look easy.
     
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    yeh T,. i seem to remember BW getting some perspex plates up for use with a router to get a perfect egde.
     
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    I'd clamp down a straight edge of some type as a guide for the router to travel against.
     
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    Yeah, when visiting various Workshops that I have been known to haunt, I am always intregued by all the Perspex Templates that I see hanging up. Slightly Off Topic, but you should see the number of individual Templates that get used on a Guyton Red Special!!!!! Unbelievable. I remember when I first met Andrew, he was complaining bitterly that the length of time taken up actually making the Templates had taken FAR longer than he had originally thought, but of course, once they are done.......You have them for ever.
     
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    the router's got an adjustable arm guide thingy, runs up the edge of the wood. the problem at first was when to stop, going in the lines, but we sorted that eventually, with a clamp at one end to stop the router from going any further once it's reached the end mark. the canal between the pickup and control cavities was done with a metal bar as a guide.

    the problem with slipping is the actual cutter. the bit keeps sliding out from the collet very slightly. hence, if you look at the last of those pictures, the floor isn't smooth.
     
  8. Daniel

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    then I would suggest looking into a new collet, might stop the bit slippage. another pointer would be to indeed use templates. try to find a bit with the bearing at the top (StewMac has them as well as collets I think). also when routing remember the grain orientation in relation to the direction of the cutter! get that wrong and you can get some nasty tearout. as for templates, you can make one yourself for anything, you need to for the body if it's a custom design. you can use MDF or plywood for the templates. I would suggest to use MDF though as it's that bit smoother for running the router on and it's very easy to work. to get the best results it's vital that you are ruthless with your templates! if you aren't satisfied with one you've made chuck it and start again. I myself have gone through a few body templates untill I was satisfied with the smoothness of the lines. (bumps on the template cause bumps on the body which means more sanding which is wasted time) as for pickup routes you can buy the perspex ones from StewMac or make your own with MDF. the same goes for neck pockets

    as for chiseling the neck pocket... I'm not a fan but MauritsP is no stranger to chisels (just ask him about the various Les Paul copies that have met their demise at the hand of him and his trusty chisel)

    a good woodworker once told me: your routes (and subsequently your work) are only as good as your templates!

    another thing you could do to lighten the load on the router is to drill a large proportion of your cavites first. you can use a column drill or a drill press for that, just use the depth guide and set that about 1mm shallower than you want the cavity to be, drill out as much wood as you can and then use the router to join up the holes and make a clean edge.

    if you have any questions just drop me a PM. and above all keep us posted of any progress
     
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    [quote author=Daniel link=topic=14012.msg183696#msg183696 date=1183909473]
    as for chiseling the neck pocket... I'm not a fan but MauritsP is no stranger to chisels (just ask him about the various Les Paul copies that have met their demise at the hand of him and his trusty chisel)
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    Demise is such a strong word, but yeah I've made a LP ugly by chiseling out a third pickup cavity. I'm more skilled at it now. But for a neck pocket I'd definitely go for a template. Taking the time now will be worth it in the end.
     
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    allright for the pup cavity demise is a string word. not so for the top that was hacked off. or the neck that was modified to fit on "Ed" the Hondo LP... ok so Ed plays ok, but how often don't we get it back because it's busted?
     
  11. aisuru

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    the routing all done apart from the neck pocket - which just needs to be deeper - but i'll definitely use templates next time.

    having considered the alternatives, i think i'll be ok with the router on the neck pocket. just need to take it easy, and go down a 16th of an inch at a time or so. keep to the scrap side, and sand out the last little bit, i think.
     
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    for smoothing out you could use a nose plane (like a regular plane but with the blade at the front, so you can get in all the way.) or my personal favourite a scraper. just a steelblade with a sharp edge on it. they cost next to nothing and you can do all sorts with them.
     
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    started cutting the rough shape today. the jigsaw blade is for fine cuts, and the mahogany is 2" thick, so it was quite slow going. i soon switched to using the powersaw.

    i might see if i can locate a nose plane. cheers for the tip Daniel!
     
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    UPDATE!

    my computer's been on the blink for a bit, so i've not been able to post... but we have done a bit of work on the Sin Eater.

    26 July
    resorted to the good old-fashioned tenon saw for cutting, the big powersaw was a bit unweildy, and the jigsaw was taking too long and lacked battery power
    [img width=640 height=480]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/aisuru-76/sineater/DSCN3653.jpg[/img]
    [img width=640 height=480]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/aisuru-76/sineater/DSCN3655.jpg[/img]

    the blade from a snap-off knife made a good plane
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    cut the horns with care
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    clamped the neck on to see how it'd look. looked almost like a guitar
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    29 July
    still quite a bit of sawing to be done
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    and planing
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    and then sanding!
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    lots of sanding
    [img width=640 height=480]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/aisuru-76/sineater/DSCN3707.jpg[/img]
    LOTS of sanding
    [img width=640 height=480]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/aisuru-76/sineater/DSCN3709.jpg[/img]
    see the biggest number in the world?
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    double it...
    [img width=640 height=480]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/aisuru-76/sineater/DSCN3713.jpg[/img]
    ...and that's just SOME of the sanding we had to do
    [img width=640 height=480]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/aisuru-76/sineater/DSCN3715.jpg[/img]
    and we're still not finished the sanding either

    began painting the headstock too
    [img width=640 height=480]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/aisuru-76/sineater/DSCN3716.jpg[/img]
     
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    looking good, you're making some real progress here. like the headstock design, very neat! and yeah sanding is a very large part of guitar building, well finishing it anyway.
     
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    cheers Daniel. i wish we could take credit for the headstock design, but the neck came from eBay :p
     

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