Help for identification of a 1988 sg

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  1. holzwege

    holzwege New Member

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    Hi guys,

    I've just bought yesterday an sg : I felt in love with it as soon as I touched it.
    I don't realy know anything about guitars, I'm still a beginner and I can't be sure of which model it is.
    The serial indicates it's from 1988. The pickguard looks from a reissue model, but I believe some standards of this year were built with small pickguard. For example, there's only one screw between the pickups (standard) and not two (reissue ?).
    The body is built with two pieces.

    What do you think about it ?
    Thank you so much for your answers
    (Sorry for my english, Im french and I suck with languages...)
    Here are the pics :
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  2. PixMix

    PixMix Well-Known Member

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    A bunch more pics, and if possible of better quality would help. Front of headstock, one with visible serial #, a close up of end of fretboard (with visible fret ends)...

    What looks like scarf joint on the second pic, and no fret nibs, might not be good news, but hard to tell from those pics.
     
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  3. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Look like a fake 1988 SG '62 Reissue.

    I normally don't care or pay attention to the carve on the bevels, but those do not look legit.

    When zooming in on the serial number and adjusting the contrast, it appears to be stamped too low and the tuner is covering the first digit. First and fifth digit should be "8" and "8". I can barely see the fifth digit, but not the first. Numbers can be faked and often times they get the font wrong which is a dead giveaway. The second digit appears to be a "1" and no serif on the bottom which is incorrect font.

    The controls are too far from the edge of the body to be a legit SG '62 Reissue.

    See below for example.

    https://reverb.com/item/4611907-gibson-sg-62-reissue-1988-cherry

    A regular 1988 SG Standard would have a side output jack and the selector switch at the alternate location as found on a 1979 "The SG".
     
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  4. holzwege

    holzwege New Member

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    20191013_173021.jpg Thanks so much for your answer.
    Here are some more. Hope it helps !

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  5. PixMix

    PixMix Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, it does not look like it is an actual Gibson. The scarf joint (see the neck below) is what stamps it as a fake as it's something you will never see on a Gibson, that's just not how they make their necks. Many other fairly obvious signs too.

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  6. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Headstock shape is incorrect.
    Serial number is stamped too low.
    The serial number font is incorrect.
    No serif on bottom of the "1".
    Missing "Made in USA" stamp.
    Crown inlay is positioned too low.
     
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  7. Astral Traveler

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    It looks a bit weird. I don't think there should be a scarf joint on the neck, the serial number should not be covered by the tuners and there should be "Made in USA" stamped under the serial number.
     
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  8. PixMix

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    The stark white (printed?) logo and crown.
    Thick letters on "Gibson".
    Also looks like the carve on both, but especially the upper horn is just massive.
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    I was so busy using my ESPER machine to enhance the details of the bogus serial number, I didn't even get a chance to see the scarf joint, LOL.
     
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  10. PixMix

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    OP, I hope you can return it, or at least paid a super low price on it.
     
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  11. Dave

    Dave Well-Known Member

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    As already mentioned by others, it's a FAKE.
    Return for full refund ASAP.
     
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  12. holzwege

    holzwege New Member

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    Thanks for you answers
    I didn't buy it in a store : an old man sold it to me on a site like gumtree.
    It was a present for my 35's birthday... and yes it was quite expansive. Im ashamed but that's life... Still, I would never have believed my dream would turn to a nightmare.
    Thanks again for your time : all your answers were very precious for me.
    Best regards,
    Guillaume
     
  13. PixMix

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    Sorry to hear about that! Try to do a return, it is a counterfeit after all.
     
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  14. holzwege

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    Well at least, the case seems genuine :rofl:Btw, I decide to believe it is !
     
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  15. PixMix

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    Well, play it, learn on it, get better at technique, learn a few songs, and stick around for SG related talk. In a couple of years you will know exactly what you want specs wise, model, color, etc. and you'll get it.

    Also, don't tell this to anyone here, but that neck joint is actually stronger in your guitar than in actual Gibsons.
     
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    Could it be a broken neck/headstock rebuild with a scarf joint?
     
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    PermissionToLand Well-Known Member

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    If it was a genuine mistake on his part (he didn't know either), he may be willing to refund you a significant part of it. I would certainly not let it slide, myself.
     
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  18. PermissionToLand

    PermissionToLand Well-Known Member

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    No, too many other details are wrong.

    However, it could be a decent quality Japanese build. I get a Tokai vibe from those deep bevels.
     
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  19. Dave

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    I'm not familiar with Gumtree.
    If you paid by credit card you can do a charge back.
     
  20. holzwege

    holzwege New Member

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    Thanks again for all your ideas and your kindness.
    Unfortunatly, I paid it cash.
    That's life : I was too impatient and sure to make a cool deal. Anyway, I learned a big lesson.

    Well, to console myself, I reckon it's a good counterfeit. I mean, it sounds great to me : powerfull, creamy and bitting, as I guess a sg should be.
    In practice, It stays tuned even if I play it strong. The tone and volume controls are very progressive, the strings auction is low without any buzzing and the neck is very thin and confortable. All those points are precious for the beginner I am.

    PixMix advices are great : it will be my training guitar and even if it's fake, it could still be a good guitar.
     
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