Help for identification of a 1988 sg

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  1. Astral Traveler

    Astral Traveler Member

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    Does the guitar have a bolt on neck, or a set neck?
     
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  2. holzwege

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    It's a set neck, with a correct sustain.
    I've open the part behind to see the electronics. It's CTS and the whole cavity is covered with copper.

    The man who sold it to me claimed it was a 'pre-prod' before custom shop. I nodded folishly, without knowing if it really meant something...
     
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  3. Astral Traveler

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    Well, the serial number and neck scarf isn't consistent with the Tokais I've seen either. Have you had a look at the back of the pickups?
     
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    It's a weird one. It looks like a copy that came out of Japan in the 70's and 80's. A lot of the Japanese copies had bolt on necks while the high end ones usually had set necks. Many of the MIJ copies were great and held a high quality, some sell for a premium today. A Tokai or Greco could go for between $400 and $1000 depending on model and condition.

    It looks like soneone cared for this, shielded cavity and CTS pots... What's weird is that it has "Gibson" on the headstock, fronbthe photos it doesn't look like it was painted on afterwards. It is under the clear coat? The Gibson mane on the heafstock makes it a counterfit and I've never seen a Japanese counterfit. They were happy copying models but I've never seen a Japanese guitar that was an actual counterfit.

    Counterfit guitars brings us around to China, which would mean that this one is significantly newer, maybe 2005 and forward...
     
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  5. holzwege

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    I'll check the pickups and send more pics in a few hours

    Sorry, but I can't understand this expression : ''It is under the clear coat?''
     
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    Is the Gibson logo painted on top of the finish on the headstock? Can you feel it with your fingers or is it smooth? If it's smooth it's under the top layer of clear varnish which means it's most likely factory made.
     
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    The Gibson logo is smooth, without any doubt
    Here are some pictures of the set neck, both pickups, and of the bridge

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  8. PixMix

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    Well, looks like you got some good pickups and hardware. Those are the same pickups that came in 61 Reissues, but also come in many Gibson guitars of current production. Reissues usually have both Classic '57s, but yours has one of them 57+, which is also a great Gibson pickup.
     
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    I had the chance to test a ES339 with those pickups and I loved those very much. I now understand why I thought this sg sounds great to me.
     
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    Looks like the sticker has been cut, and that's when a date of production of pickups would be printed.

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    Does this mean that those pickups are fake too ?
     
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    Not necessarily, unless they have been housed in actual Gibson covers, but I don't think one would go to that extent. I think the reason behind the cut stickers is trying to hide the fact that pickups are of a recent production, and therefore inconstant with the story of guitar being from 1988.
     
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    Looks like good hardware! I think @PixMix is correct, someone was trying to hide the date.
     
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    if the guitar does sound and feel right for you,
    then its a mistake with a bit of luck.

    my guess tend also to be a japan sg,
    only a feeling.

    i think the pick ups are no fake,
    stickers might be cut to hide the year of production
    as @PixMix stated.

    so all in all you have a fake gibby with good hardware/pick ups,
    that plays well to you...:smile:

    hope you did nt payed the amount like for an original used 88 gibson.
     
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  15. PermissionToLand

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    Agreed, it looks too new to be '70s or '80s production, but it also is too accurate to be Chinese, IMO. Only the pickguard is noticeably off in shape. And I've never seen such deep bevels and an ABR style bridge on a Chinese copy.

    However, since he says the logo is smooth, and now we've seen the Gibson parts, it's obviously had some work done to it, and who knows how extensive that was. Maybe it was fully refinished and the bevels were deepened and the bridge holes were plugged and re-drilled for an ABR? I doubt we'll ever be able to get to the bottom of this one.
     
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    It's true, the general condition is too perfect for a 30 years old guitar. Unless it would have slept for all that time in its case...There's absolutly no marks except some scratches on the pickguard and two marks on the top of the head.

    The guitar perfectly fit in the Gibson case, as if both were made for each other. It weights a bit more than 6lbs. It's light and well balanced : the head doesn't dive at all.
    Sustain is good I'd say. Better than my US fender strat (bought new in an official store :thumb:). The making seems very serious. I can't actually understand why they screw up with such details as the pickguard or the too low serial number.

    Btw, I should have more informations within the next few days. My seller has just contacted the man who pretend to be the first owner and he already got an answer. He will transfer this message asap. I keep you posted.
     
  17. Astral Traveler

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    Very curious to see what this is :hmm:
     
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  18. holzwege

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    Finally it's an happy ending story, for me at least...

    First claimed owner answer was pure bullshit : ''It's not a counterfeit, it's a 120th anniversary edition''

    I've demanded a refound and I've just got it. Money (1000 euros !!) is in my blue jeans pocket as I write those lines !

    Thanks again from the deep of my heart for all your precious support.
    Sincerely,
     
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  19. Astral Traveler

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    Great news! Now you can go find another one! May I suggest something a little newer than the 80's? Should be a bit cheaper.
     
  20. PixMix

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    Good news! 1000 € should get you a really nice SG.
     
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