Help Identifiying this SG

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  1. karlmontenegro

    karlmontenegro New Member

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    Hello guys, this is my first post on here and well I have a few questions since I'm gonna get my first SG second hand. The guy that is selling wants 880 bucks for this Gibson SG Special from 2009. Now here's the tricky part, the guy tells me that he sold the original pickups and replaced them with the Tony Iommi signature ones. That wouldn't be a problem since I've listened to those and I like their tone, never the less, I've spent the whole afternoon looking at the photos of the guitar and some details don't add up to the given info.

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    As you can see in the pictures, the fingerboard has trapezoidal inlays instead of dotted ones. I dunno if Gibson ever put out a SG Special model like that. Also, the headstock doesn't have the logo silk printed, it has the logo inlaid too. Looks like the missing link between a Special and a Standard SG. I don't know if you guys can help me since this guitar looks beautiful but I wanna be sure that is a real Gibson.

    Thanks!
     
  2. AngelDeVille

    AngelDeVille Well-Known Member

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    Looks like a faded or satin finish.

    What does it say under the sharpied truss rod cover?
     
  3. everdying

    everdying Well-Known Member

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    that 3rd fret inlay looks crooked, while the rest seem to be a touch shorter width-wise?
    so best guess is those inlays is some 3rd party job...including the headstock job.
     
  4. karlmontenegro

    karlmontenegro New Member

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    Sharpied? What do you mean?
     
  5. AngelDeVille

    AngelDeVille Well-Known Member

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    It could be the lighting but the truss rod cover looks like it has been scribbled on with a black marker. Or the cover has been replaced.

    Do any SG models come with a single ply black TRC?

    With the inlays and trapezoids on the neck, the cover would be a 3 ply at least. And maybe even say “SG” on it.

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  6. karlmontenegro

    karlmontenegro New Member

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    The one in the photo you attached is the closest one to this guitar. I'm getting second thoughts about it, sounds like the guy did several modifications to the guitar, unless there's someone here that can pinpoint to that line. It sucks since I can't find catalogs from 2009 or models for that matter.
     
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    karlmontenegro New Member

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    So you think it also had a headstock job?
     
  8. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Welcome!

    SG Specials are my favorite, but the neck and headstock markings on this one are incorrect. It does look to be a legit Gibson, but modified exactly as you explained.

    I had four of these SG Special Faded at one time ranging from 2003-2016 as well as the gloss versions, SG Classic, early and late 60's Specials as well.

    I used to have this same model finished in ebony, but was a 2005. I have also seen the 2009 models. These are rare in this color, but do exist. The single ply blank TRC is correct for this era model. Some were blank and some did have "SG" engraved on them.

    A stock 2009 SG Special Faded would have unbound neck with dots and silkscreened decal headstock logo only, no crown inlay. This one has the logo changed to inlay and crown inlay added and located at the same position as a 61 Reissue because the baseline of the crown inlay is even with the middle tuner posts. The trapezoid inlays have been added, but no neck binding.

    The stock pickups on these should be uncovered 490's. These appear to either had covers added or have been changed out. It's not uncommon to add covers. I also do the same on all mine. I have only seen Iommi pickups with solid covers where these have the screw pole pieces exposed.

    I would like the see the shape of the control cavity and inside it. The earliy 2000's will have the larger cavity and the late 2000's will have the narrow cavity.

    The word "Model" should be stamped underneath the year 2009 and appears to be missing from what I can see in the photo. They started adding the year and the word "model" under the serial number circa 2008.

    Difference between SG Standard and SG 61 Reissue crown inlay placement pictured below...

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  9. AngelDeVille

    AngelDeVille Well-Known Member

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    Seriously doubtful anyone would add trapezoids and headstock inlays on an existing guitar. The expense would be beyond the guitars value.
     
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    If CG thinks it's a real Gibson, it may well be.

    If it is a Gibson I would value it at $350-400, add $50 for a hard shell case .

    I don't think I'd gamble my money on it.

    Another will come along .
     
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    From looking at one in my local GC, I know that this looks exactly like a 2016 1961 re-issue that is in store right now. The only differences I can see are the truss rod cover usually has a white outline (might be where the ‘sharpied’ Comment came from) and that ‘yours’ is a ‘faded’ model. From looking at the pictures provided, including the Gibson stamps on the back, I’d call it the real deal; but the truth is in actually handling it. Pictures can allow for things to be covered or brushed up; however they can also cause you to see things wrong like an inlay looking slightly crooked when it’s more the angle of the picture. It’s why Photographers make sure to square of @ 90 degree angles when taking pictures of such a nature (where scale and lines are going to be checked).

    Now I know the local GC has the Gibson I mentioned listed for like $1300 or so, but the biggest ‘giveaway’ if someone is trying to scam you is that it’s just ‘too good’ of a deal. Like the ‘it's really stolen from somewhere’ price. The old adage of ‘if it’s too good to be true, it probably is’ will serve you well.

    You can search Google for pictures of a 2016 SG 1961 re-issue and see the pics pretty much line up exactly and I suggest you do. Ultimately, however, getting your hands on it, playing it, looking over the whole guitar will be much more important. If your brain is screaming ‘Something’s wrong’ then it most likely is.

    Regards
    K1SFD
     
  12. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    61 Reissues have bound necks and small guards where this one clearly does not.
     
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