Thanks for the reminder on this. The local Seller messaged me last week and after a discussion of potential price range he wished to set up a meet....but I guess that he changed his mind as he is not returning calls/messages now. That's ok cuz I ain't paying his price. This guitar...from what I can see....is a very early 1965.....transitional. I obviously can only verify in person and have yet to do so...but I believe that this guitar will exhibit 100% 1964 specs as many of the earlier 1965's do. The used/vintage market is very tough right now imo....I just sold a 1967 Epiphone Casino E230TD. It took me a long while to sell....I finally sold it to a dealer in Oregon who surely intends to resell it.....so you know my sold price wasn't as I'd hoped. I doubled my money and did not have interest in keeping the guitar so all is well for me....but the list prices seen on Ebay/Reverb are just not reality and many Sellers are either naive, stubborn, or are telling their wives "honey I just can't sell it!" lol. I should also say for those that don't realize....when you search Reverb for 'sold only'....the price displayed is the LIST price and is not reflective of the Sold price. The only way to see Sold prices on Reverb is to use the Price Guide. If you search sold E230TD....I see my guitar listing SOLD at my list price....but I see my actual sold price only at the price Price Guide for my particular make/model/color Casino.