Is this neck twisted?

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  1. Steve D

    Steve D Well-Known Member

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    The guitar plays perfectly but when I site down the neck from the top of the headstock (see image) it appears to twist a bit counterclockwise.

    If it is twisted will it get worse over time? What causes that? And if it does get worse, what's the remedy?

    Any expert help appreciated. Thanks! IMG_0432.jpg
     
  2. Biddlin

    Biddlin Well-Known Member

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    Stop trying to site down the neck and play the thing.
    In the pic above, I see no issue.
     
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  3. volktar

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    Twisted neck should be easy to feel. Action would vary fairly significantly from one E string to the other. Break out some calipers.
     
  4. volktar

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    And your photo doesn't look entirely centered, so it's hard to tell from that.
     
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  5. Chuteboxehero

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    Its hard to tell from the pic and a warp would be difficult to capture because it's usually fairly subtle. Using the lines on the carpet as a reference I don't really see it. I think you would probably notice some playability issues too. Try looking again but go from the bottom of the body down to the headstock. Basically opposite what you did. Sometimes body contours can make it look like there's a twist in the neck. That'll give you a different perspective.
     
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    Biddlin Well-Known Member

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    Or leave it alone and play it!
     
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    Biddlin Well-Known Member

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    Seriously guys, OCD is a guitarist's enemy.
     
  8. Steve D

    Steve D Well-Known Member

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    The neck is straight as measured with a straightedge along both edges but the low E string has some buzzing started at the 12th fret. Not bad, but the notes don't ring fully clearly or with full sustain. On the high E string, no issues. This is why I asked. If the neck is straight and the action is the same on the first fret but not on the 12th fret, that makes me wonder.

    So saying it played perfectly was not really true. It plays great and I don't play above the 12th fret on the low E (actually low A also has it to a lesser extent) that often so it doesn't really effect me much but like I said, if it is twisted I want to know if there's a way to prevent it from getting worse.

    Calipers is the right answer. Thanks all.
     
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    OCD is rampant on forums like this one.

    Nut slant because of inceasing string sizes and the way it looks over the fretboard is often mistaken for a twisted neck. Good name for a band, Twisted Neck.

    Who ever had a twisted Gibson neck before ?
    That's buzzing through the amp, or unplugged ?

    Sounds like you need to raise the bridge a fraction on that side.
     
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    Id say no, if its performing correctly.
     
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  11. Biddlin

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    Yup.
     
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    I can't tell by pictures if a neck is twisted or not, at least in most cases...

    But I can tell you this: listen to Biddlin, just set up the guitar to your needs and play it. Slight buzzing, twists, dings, dents, and other hassles WILL happen over time with some guitars. If you take the time to really check a guitar inch by inch, you'll likely find something to get OCD about, and actually that's no big deal.

    If this makes you feel better: John Mayer's main strat for 10 years was a John Cruz black strat. After lots of road wear the neck got seriously twisted.

    Mayer had Cruz make him a perfect replica neck. And hated it. It just didn't feel like the old one, though it was made by the very same master luthier as a 100% identical replica. He then put the old neck back on the guitar and still plays it as it is.

    You can listen to a short version of the story here, at 0:41



    Now go play your guitar.
     
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    Tattoo on your eyelids, baby! :naughty::rofl:
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    What happened to leave it alone and play it?
    Hey next time you car starts misfiring, leave it alone and drive it.
     
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    Read the very first line of the OP.
    It is not until post #8 that he reveals:
    Hey next time your brain starts misfiring, step away from the key board.
     
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    Dale Well-Known Member

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    Compare the relief between the high E and low E. Generally the 2 are not equal if the neck is twisted.
     
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    pancake81 Well-Known Member

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    If you can see a twist in a neck, it will be so noticeable when playing you wouldn’t even question if it was out of whack!

    Just a minor twist or bow will throw the feel, sound and (likely) tuning out, so you won’t have to guess if things are not right.

    Put it this way, would Jeff Healey or Ray Charles know its twisted? In other words, are saying at times you think the neck looks slightly off... or are you saying the thing feels like a bowed tree branch in your hands when you are playing?

    Get my point
     
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    Boy, ain't that the truth! I had a 1971 Strat I bought new that twisted. It got harder and harder to play, but I just ignored it until a player friend I really respected tried to play it, and told me to shitcan it. Which I did. Now it'd be worth lots of cash, but oh well.
     
  19. Satellitedog

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    Hey Steve, that's the 2006 VOS Custom Shop Standard, isn't it?

    Would be nice to see pics taken with the guitar laying on a flat surface looking down the neck towards the body, perfectly centred, with a straightedge laid across its top. You could also lay a single spaghetti (uncooked :-) over the headstock right beside the nut (tape it if it doesn't stay in place) so we can take a better look at it.
    Going by this photo, I don't think there is any major twisting going on.
    Also please note that cameras will distort the subject, most phone/tablet cameras will introduce a slight fish-eye distortion, which of course will render the image unsuitable for critical evaluation. (Here's a quick explanation with examples for non photographers like myself). https://gizmodo.com/this-image-shows-how-camera-lenses-beautify-or-uglify-y-5857279
     
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  20. Steve D

    Steve D Well-Known Member

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    Sorry for wasting your time
     
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