Just bought my first SG (G400R)! Help me ID?

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  1. Dmccluskey

    Dmccluskey New Member

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    Hey guys!

    This is my first post over here, and it's because I've just purchased my first SG. It's a cherry Epiphone G400R I believe, though I'd like some specifics from some of you geniuses if possible. I impulsively purchased it after a few hours of research around this particular model; it's a 'G400R' according to a sticker on the guitar. The website I bought it from says that it's from 1991, but from what I've read, these limited G400Rs with the open book headstock were only around in 1989. It has binding on the fretboard, a fixed neck, an open book style headstock, and trapezoid inlays. I think the headphone jack is aftermarket (some weird gold colour) but I am guessing at this point.

    I was wondering if anybody can confirm the model/country of origin etc of this beauty? I think the guitar looks to be in fantastic condition given the age, and I'm really excited to see it in person soon. Full-size images below!

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    what a beauty !!



    i´m with plankton...

    looks like a 1989/90 korea.

    (although there are some models of the bohemian (eu) factory
    with open book headstock)
     
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    Nice nice nice !

    It has to be Korean with the particular truss rod cover and ... that wonky knobs pattern.

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    Very beautiful!
    What a strange headstock, was it the shape which Epiphone used for the first models?
    However, good guitar to start with SG, hope you like it.
     
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    Nice catch. I like the output jack retainer detail.
     
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    Dmccluskey New Member

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    Seems fairly conclusive then! Thanks all :smile:

    I had to nab it as I couldn't let it pass, there was something about that cherry finish and age that just appealed to me.
     
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    Very beautiful guitar.
     
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    Really beautiful!
     
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    Very nice, great to have neck binding too.
     
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    Indeed, it was not even officially listed by Epiphone in any catalog. Possibly something Samick slipped under the radar for SG fans. The differences were that regular G400s at the time had unbound necks with dot inlays and uncovered pickups. The open book headstock makes this the closest G400 to a Gibson in terms of features ever made, although there were lots of inaccuracies in the details, like the knob arrangement, which were later fixed, so I guess it depends which features are most important to you. Certainly the current G-400 is the most accurate excluding the headstock shape. Gotta give Epi credit for slowly making improvements over the years and finally adding a bound neck.

    The seller probably misread the serial number. Say it's 9103475. That could be misread as March '91 if you don't know that the production number should be 4 digits.

    Here's a little note on the ancestry of this guitar; they date all the way back to 1979! This basic body shape was first used by Samick on the Hondo H-727 SG copy, introduced in 1979, which was loosely a copy of Gibson's "The SG"/Firebrand model.

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    I know this because of one obvious trait; the neck is not quite aligned with the body. Notice the tailpiece is closer to the left side of the body than the right, and the bottom of the pickguard is further from the edge of the body than the top end? And you can see it in the early G-400s, too:

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    I'm not sure when this was corrected, but I don't think it lasted much longer than the early '90s.
     
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    Very beautiful body. The rosewood board looks dark and high quality.
    Sweet head stock. Great one to scoop. Very beautiful gloss finish on the body and neck.
    And I love the white binding on these guitars.
     
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