Maple top on a 2004 G-400

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  1. Demon Dave

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    Hello everybody, maybe someone asked this question before, but I’ve found this 2004 Epi sg with this beautiful maple top. What I ask is how is thick this maple? Does it really affect the tone, like on a Les Paul, or it’s just a thin layer, and the effect is purely cosmetic? Here’s a pic of this guitar, thanks.
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    It's most likely veneer and it won't affect the tone. Looks damn nice though.
     
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    Hello, It's just a very thin veneer and they were able to bend it over the side contours. Looks great though. I had one of these back then.
     
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    I don't think wood veneer would follow a compound curve like that without any cuts. That would be visible on the bevels. If you see the top grain following all around the top bevels, then it's a thick maple cap.

    You can see this one has veneer that has been cut at the bevel's edge.

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    One way to know for sure is to remove a pickup and try to see on the wall of the cavity, if there are two different wood species and how thick is the upper layer.

    Another clue would be its weight, since maple is much heavier than Mahogany.
     
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  5. Demon Dave

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    thanks that’s maybe why they finished it with that dark sunburst, anyway I agree, it’s a really beautiful top
     
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    It's done with paper thin veneer and a vacuum system. The only guitar that Epiphone China and Korea ever made with a solid maple slab top was the Les Paul Tribute and that was a slab of plain maple with a figured maple veneer vacuum molded on top of that.

     
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    There is very little curve on that top, nothing like a ± 30° bevel edge and pronounced contour curves like on a SG. Find me a video of such a vacuum veneer job and I'll believe it.
     
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    I hear you but the odds of Epiphone using solid slabs on a G400 are remote. Not that it's not a great guitar, it's just the price point vs. the cost of solid slabs of figured maple do not add up. I opened mine up and there was no delineation line of maple meeting mahogany at the depth that would be required to meet the lowest point of the flamed bevel.. Plus every advertisement including Epiphone literature spec it as veneer. I wish we could ask someone from the actual Epiphone factories to explain the mystery.
     
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    Does yours have a dark opaque burst or do you see the flame going down on the bevel like Demon Dave's ?
     
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  11. Demon Dave

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    Yes you’re right, is a 2004 G-400 de luxe, vintage sunburst flametop, on sale for 350,00 € . I like it but just waiting for now, collecting info. I have a busking project, and it could be a back-up for my Sg Standard.
     
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    Wow! :wow:
     
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    That is a nice looking SG! Still I would have to guess with a solid maple top with that type of figuring it would be far more expensive. Like closer to the 1k Gibson mark.
     
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    The one in the OPs 1st post has an absolutely stunning match, compare to the one posted in the ad further down the thread. Damn, I don't like flame tops but that one...SH1t
     
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    This model was available when I bought a G400 Korina (2002), it was called G400 Deluxe.

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  16. Robert P.Mamarella

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    It is a Thin Veneer.It's cosmetic.Nice looking though.Have Ya seen the newer one's with Binding on the Fret Board,Just Beautiful!!! Check Out Sweet Water.
     
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    Yes is was. Delux indeed!!!
     
  18. Robert P.Mamarella

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    Dr.B Good, Ya hit that Nail right on the Head! Yup.
     
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    Dr.B.Good,I really like the Newer G-400 SGs. Improved Contouring and Scalloping on the Body,and Binding around the Fret Board just as a SG should be.Liked it soooo much I got one from Sweet Water in Cheery Finish.And it's Coil Tapped too!
     
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    From what I've read, the veneers being used are less than half a millimeter thick, which is much thinner than what the guy in the video is using. If he can get it to form around and over those contours, I have no doubts that a factory could get a paper-thin veneer to wrap around anything. In fact, my "solid wood" bedroom furniture has the exact same kind of treatment!
     

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