Neck Dive and Real Solutions

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  1. Layne Matz

    Layne Matz Well-Known Member

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    I propose some form of weight hidden within the body cavity. I know I'm not the first to suggest this. I just think there should be a GO to solution for the neck dive issue I'm so many SGs. Tungsten weights aren't that expensive, I'm not sure how much metal.it will take to balance it out but I'll find out after I try on my Epiphone G400 Pro.


    Does anyone else have any other solutions that don't demand moving the strap button or using a specific type of strap?
     
  2. SG standard

    SG standard Well-Known Member

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    Did you really need to start another thread on the subject? I just responded to your post in the other thread... See that for thoughts on adding weight.

    Known solutions/workarounds for neck dive on an SG, in no particular order:

    1] Remove weight from the headstock
    2] Move the rear strap button
    3] Create an arm to extend the front strap button to the location it would be on a Strat*
    4] Buy a thick 'grippy' strap (e.g. suede backed)
    5] Keep a firm grip on the neck at all times
    6] Clamp the SG's body to your body with the arm of your picking hand
    7] Add weight to the body

    Each and every one of these solutions has been/is used by SG players on this forum, and there may be others I've missed. There is NO single right solution, only one that works for you (or a combination).

    *Yes, someone did this, there's a thread they created about it, if you have a search you should find it.
     
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    Use some velcro on your shirt and strap...:smile:
     
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    rotorhead Well-Known Member

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    Super glue between the strap and skin works well, but you have to be shirtless. Doesn't work well in outdoor festivals in cold climates, though.

    For those situations I use heavy guage staples.
     
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  5. Layne Matz

    Layne Matz Well-Known Member

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    I know there are lots of threads on the subject but I thought there oughta be a current discussion on things we can actually do.
    I never said it would be simple or easy. I think that with so many people are holding their guitars up by hand...hate to sound like a broken record.... There's got to be a better way. Maybe its just me but gripping straps don't seem to do it. Not trying I to flood the forums...
     
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    I guess there are lots of answers (for example in @SG standard's post above), but no definitive ones. The SG has been around, with the strap button in the same place, since 1961. If there was a definitive answer, I don't think we would still be discussing this in guitar forums all the time. It's pretty obvious that neck dive is a problem for some players, but with a few things in place, the right type of strap being my favorite, it shouldn't be anything serious.

    I have played SGs for about 25 years, and the first one I got (a 1975 SG II, I still have it) is a diver of olympic proportions. But the truth is I never even thought of the neck dive before I read about it on this forum a couple of years ago.:D I guess it just shows I can't keep my hands off my guitar...
     
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  7. rotorhead

    rotorhead Well-Known Member

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    An SG, no matter what year, has nothing in terms of neck dive compared to my Sheraton II and other semi-hollows. It's just something you learn to deal with, really. Awareness is the key and realizing that it's going to dive a little 8f you're not paying attention.

    But paying attention to it and remaining aware doesn't mean it's a constant concentration that's needed. It becomes second nature after dealing with it for a while.

    Sure, we can add weights, use various straps, drill holes in the heel and fill it with lead or concrete and even superglue it in place on our bodies, but none of that is really needed.

    If you're having trouble supporting a couple of ounces of headstock while playing, perhaps another model is for you.
     
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    Perfect!

    But now it will have butt dive.
     
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    Suede strap.

    There good looking, mighty comfortable and will last forever.

    Drops mic and walks off stage.
     
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    Best solution for mike dive = mike stand.
     
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    A suede stand perhaps?
     
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    Put weight in the mic.

    It's the only true way to be sure.
     
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    Line the cavity with suede and wear a led strap.

    I played a Melody Maker SG Bass for 15 years. That thing had a seriously long neck with shovel size tuner paddles at the end. I don't remember having a problem playing it.

    Guitar in the forefront was also an SG and I don't remember him complaining either.

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    SG bass, coily cable. You were the MAN, Doctor!
     
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    try this but you'll hate yourself in the morning! :)

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    Well, coiled cables are one way to add weight to the back of the guitar. Worked to balance out the 50s Tribute extremely well.
     
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    Phuck yeah ! :rofl:
    I liked coils because you never stepped on it and I was never going very far from my amp. I liked to feel the thump in my back.
    Yeah, it just pulls back, no weight added.
     
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    Heck, I use a coily cord now! Easy to pack up for class and plenty long enough for what I do.
     

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