Need advice. Please help

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  1. Martin

    Martin New Member

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    So my Stepfather has a 62 Gibson sg I can buy it for $ 300 u s. The problems will commence. Here are pics sadly, no date confirmed, Can I find a date through some labeling on the pickups? Wiring? Is it worth a buy? It's clearly missing the string saddle is that vibrola legit? It looks machined and its reversed from every other vibrola I have seen. Any advice? Is it worth a buy just for the body? The headstock and sadly serial number are gone. Help????
     
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    Wow this site uses angel fire and all. Scary unsafe
     
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    GrumpyOldDBA Well-Known Member

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    Yeah this site is pretty backwards.

    I dont see any pics ... a real gibson 62 sg crap yeah buy it! Sell it to me!
     
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    How do I post pics on this site:)
     
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    Pics :)
     

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    GrumpyOldDBA Well-Known Member

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    Some of the guys here are real experts on the old sgs you will get some answers soon.

    To me its a no brainer to buy it then you have to decide what next!
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Check the pot codes in the control cavity.
    You should see numbers in the format:

    137YYWW
    134YYWW

    137 = CTS
    134 = Centralab
    YY = Year
    WW = Week

    Example:

    1346326
    134 = Centralab
    YY = 63 (1963)
    WW = 26 (Week 26 of 1963)

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    The codes on the potentiometers will give you the earliest date it might have been produced

    • The source-date code on a pot is a 6 or 7 digit code impressed into the casing of the potentiometer. For speakers this code can be 5, 6, 7 or 8 digits long, and it's ink-stamped or paint-stamped on the "bell housing" of the speaker.

      In either case, the code works the same. The first 3 digits on a pot, or the first 2, 3 or 4 digits on a speaker are the source or manufacturer code.

      The remaining 3 or 4 digits are the date code. In 3 digit dates code, the 1st digit is the last digit of the year. On 4 digits date codes, the 1st and 2nd digits are the last two digits of the year. In either case, the remaining 2 digits are the week of manufacture (01 to 52). With this in mind, remember if the last two digits of the source-date code are greater than 52, you're not looking at the source-date code!

      Also it's worth mentioning:
      • Sometimes there is a space or hyphen between the manuafacturer code and the year/week code.
      • 3 digit date codes were used in the 1940's and 1950's. Stackpole for example converted from three to four digit date codes in late 1959.
      • 4 digit date codes were used in the 1960's and later (this makes determining the year much simplier!)
      • On 3 digit date codes, you have to "guess" the decade of the pot or speaker. Usually this isn't too difficult.
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      Pots used by Fender. The middle one is a CTS pot (Chicago Telephone Supply, manufacturer #137) from the 30th week of 1966. The pots on the left and right are Stackpole pots (manufacture #304). Note the different position of the markings, even on pots from the same maker.


     
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    Thanks man. Any idea on the vibrola? it looks not stock. it's missing the string saddle. Thanks for the info I'm going to buy it with tax refund so hopefully I can post back soon with date updates:)
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    I used to have a 63 SG Special with the same short vibrola as your SG Junior. It had a Lightning Bar Wraparound Compensating Bridge. I used to string mine up as a wraparound bridge only and not use the vibrola. I later removed the vibrola completely and left the three screw holes exposed which did not bother me at all.


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    It looks good to me, some gut shots will verify it. Sounds like a great deal, do you have somebody to make you a new headstock?
     
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    Any idea on the cost of a headstock replacement? Also can anyone figure out what's up with the vibrola? the arm is mounted completely opposite from all sg pics I have seen.
     
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    Any one care to throw out a clue on how much this may be worth before and after repairs?
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Are you referring to how it is slid over on the spring? You need to slide the piece that the arm is connected to over towards the high E string so that both ends of that part indicated by the yellow arrows are flush with the edges of the spring as pictured below.

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    Pictured below is the spring by itself. This one is from a 1970 SG Junior but it functions the same as the earlier models. The part that has the arm attached will completely slide off the spring when no strings attached.

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    Lol yes that's it :) Now to get it and date it from the pots. Still curious about headstock and missing bridge replacement cost/ options?
     
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    Does anyone know if there is a date stamp underneath neck pocket on this?
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    These have a set neck, therefore a date stamp underneath the neck pocket would seem illogical. By the looks of that neck heel joint with how elongated it is, this one looks like a 1965 model.

    Bridge = Gibson PTTP-070
     
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    The value of it is gonna be dependant on the quality of the job. Original tuners and bridge will probably set you back another $200.00 but i think you will still come out great on that deal. Probably the worst thing will be the lack of a serial number.
     

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