NGD - May I Present...

Discussion in 'SG Copies' started by Rox, Sep 4, 2017.

  1. Rox

    Rox Active Member

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    ...my newest addition. A guitar I have been searching for... it has taken me many years to locate one after stupidly selling mine to buy an actual Gibson.

    I've mentioned it before, but I've managed to get hold of one... finally. And it sounds and plays just as good as I remembered my old one did.

    Here we have my Kasuga made Shaftesbury 3413, dating from 1973/4. Have fun spotting the different Gibson model SG influences in this guitar (the two you can't see are the Volute on the neck and the Les Paul like pancake construction):

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    I am over the moon!! The sound oozes Black Sabbath and plays beautifully.

    It's actually Walnut, even though the pics look more Cherry.
     
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    Thanks for the likes. :)

    Here are some pictures of the maple in the pancake sandwich construction (sorry the first pic is so blurry):

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    Same guitar, but the maple looks a different colour at a different angle!

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    The much maligned volute and back of headstock:

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    And another photo of the top - you can see more of the grain in this one:

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    Nice!
     
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    Indeed... in fact both myself and @JohnnyBlade have owned one of these previously - in fact, we both owned the same one:

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    I sold it like this, the chap that bought it off me removed the Shaftesbury logo and put a Gibson one on. Then @JohnnyBlade bought it from him.
     
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    Really nice SG.

    Why would somebody do that ? Now it's a fake, as before it was a rare specimen.
     
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    That is sweet, I have always wanted an Ampeg myself...
     
  9. Rox

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    It really is a lovely thing that just works the way it's supposed to. The Maxon pickups are awesome (and command a pretty penny on their own these days!)

    They have date stamps on them, the neck pickup 34123 - meaning it was manufactured on 23/1/74 - 3 was apparently the pickup code (possible magnet type?). The bridge pickup 34128 - 28/1/74. The one I owned before had a date stamp of 34114 - 14/1/74. I rather suspect this guitar and the one I owned before were the same batch with only a week or so between pickup dates.

    How awesome is that?

    Although I thought it was all original, there has been a modification - both volume pots have been replaced, and fitted with a treble bleed mod. This mod is why I decided to have a look on the back of the pickups just to make sure the pickups hadn't been swapped out.

    I find it fascinating that Kasuga didn't just copy an SG, they copies various Gibson features to create a sort of Gibson greatest hits. At a time where Gibson were cutting back on binding, and putting plastic control plates on, Kasuga did neck binding, volute, used the split diamond with the Custom style neck inlays, pancake construction copied from the Les Paul. Quality pickups with full size pots. The neck joint looks the same profile as the Gibson SG MM I have.

    The biggest difference is the neck - the neck is skinny and narrow. The Gibson is thick and wider. But somehow they are both incredibly comfortable in different ways.
     
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    PermissionToLand Well-Known Member

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    Now that is cool! I've been keeping an eye out for good Japanese copies of batwing SGs; there aren't many out there and Gibson has made ZERO effort at reissuing a batwing SG. Looks like they copied a 1971 Standard (big heel, shallow beveling, 3pc neck, big volute), but gave it a Custom neck for a little upscale feel. Not an uncommon thing, believe it or not. Burny had some batwing copies with Custom necks as well.
     
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    Suh-Wheat :D
     
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    Ah yes, I've just Googled a '71 Standard and I think you're absolutely spot on, so many thanks for that. :)
     
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    Beautiful Shaftesbury!

    Q&A
    Can you post a picture of the control cavity?
    Does it have 7 screws securing it?
    Also if you have ever pulled the pickups out is the routing free of stain and is instead bare wood?

    This might clear up the mysterious origins of my setneck Carlo Robelli SG.
     
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    Seven screws...

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    And this is what the routing looks like (from the one I owned before!):

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    Awesome! I think this is the first solid connection I've seen to the maker of a setneck Carlo Robelli. Only other one I've seen with a 7 screw was a bolt-neck Electra, which from some history I've looked up sourced Kasuga for some of their builds.

    Yours is a different era SG style from mine however

    The Carlo Robelli SG I got is based on the 1972 Gibson SG Standard format.
    -Neck end against the pickup trim ring
    -narrow nut
    -bound fast slim 3 piece neck with volute
    -fretless wonder style frets
    -small pickguard

    Original tuners would have been 2 hole style (prior owner put Grovers) original pickups long gone (prior owner installed a Dimarzio pickup and pot set) Has one of the best poly finishes of my guitars! High gloss but as slick as a satin finish neck.

    Aria Pro II and Electra also had SG copies that follow 1972 standard format but I was suprised to see different build characteristics when I dissected my Carlo.

    I added a modern spaced nashville bridge to help spread out the string spacing and that really improved it since I have long fingers. I was playing the guitar all weekend through a Rat 2 and a Fender Blues Junior trying to knock out some Sabbath tunes!

    I'll have to post some pics
     
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    Pictures would be great @warmachine :)

    Kasuga did quite a few versions of the SG, and a few with the half scratchplate. They're awesome guitars, but don't have the cache of Tokai, Burny, Greco, etc.
     
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    Here's the as bought pictures. Small photos but hopefully decent enough. Included some Gibson SG history regarding the transition period starting early 1970's
     

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    That's it for sure. Except for the replacement tuners that's all stock. I did see an all original one on eBay maybe a year after I bought mine but that the last one spotted in a while.

    Pickups in my pictures are Dimarzio paf in neck and Super distortion in bridge. Didn't care for a Super distortion in this 1972 style SG though. It accentuates the mids too much cause the relocated neck and pickup routes. I replaced with a mid output Maxon era paf clone and sounds killer now! Blues rock and old school metal all day long.
     

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