playing tips for Thunderstruck and Back in Black

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  1. hotspur_krew

    hotspur_krew Member

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    hey guys,

    does anyone have a tip for playing Thunderstruck and Back in Black(the song, not the whole album)?

    The intro to Thunderstruck is obviously my problem....in the song Angus just rips the intro out smoothly and sounds great...
    Mine is getting better, but it isnt smooth enough...so any tips on playing that?

    The back in black riff is another problem....I tried it, and the first power chord(note) of the song as well as the bending part(the part where angus does w/e he does in like 1.5 seconds) They just dont sound right...and i have the official tabs from the Young brothers...especially the first note of the song, it doesn't have the sharpness of the Youngs...so any tips on that?

    I figured that since it's an SG site, lots of people here would know the AC/DC stuff...so please reply!!!
     
  2. YNGWIE

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    First of all, with thunderstruck, it is played using hammer ons and pull offs - no picking.

    Back in black is started off with an E POWER chord
    the bending part is: - (p) = pulloff
    ----3--0----------------------------------------------------------------High e string
    ------------3--0--------------------------------------------------------B string
    -------------------2(p)--0---------------------------------------------G string
     
  3. hotspur_krew

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    yeah...i got thunderstruck down...sounds better now... ;D

    back in black...ahh still don't have the sharpness of the youngs.... >:(
     
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    ----3--0----------------------------------------------------------------High e string
    ------------3--0--------------------------------------------------------B string
    -------------------2^(p)--0---------------------------------------------G string

    thats what i do for that riff
     
  5. If You Want Blood

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    to make it smooth i pull everything(the 3-0's and the 2-0)and obviously use power chords in the open position. but as they say practice makes perfect.
     
  6. Zeppelin Rules

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    I find if you practice really slow then its easier to play it fast. I've also been working on the thunderstruck intro and all I can say is KEEP PRACTICING.
     
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    On the G string, second fret, I believe he hangs on it with a quick bend before popping to the open string. I'd have to play it again to be sure, but I don't pull off, I pick each note, but maybe a pull off is better.

    Are you the only guitarist? It makes it a bit harder to play both parts...

    As to power chords, why not play them open?
    E, D, A, then the lick.
    I thought they play em open.
     
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    They definitely play the chords in open position in Back in Black. The turnaround is tabbed correctly, but the phrasing is tricky. I found it easier to help train my ear by playing it out without the bend:

    ----3-----0------------------------------------------------
    -----------------3------0----------------------------------
    --------------------------------4-----2-----0-------------
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------------------

    That way you can see the distinct notes in the line and feel the phrasing BEFORE adding the slurs with bends or pulloffs. If you can play this line up to speed, it is dead simple to REMOVE pick-strokes to add slurs.
     
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    ----3p-----0------------------------------------------------
    -----------------3p------0----------------------------------
    -------------------------------2------h4p-----2p------0
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    How I play it.
     
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    I play on B String....I got both BIB and Thunderstruck covered now... ;D
     
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    [quote author=gibson_sg463 link=topic=4477.msg61852#msg61852 date=1129360922]
    to make it smooth i pull everything(the 3-0's and the 2-0)and obviously use power chords in the open position. but as they say practice makes perfect.
    [/quote]

    hmm i was listening to it today (very very rare) and i dont really think he pulls it. its really hard to listen if he pulls or picks for at least for me. i tried picking it all and it works out pretty good so i think its just something of preference.
     
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    [quote author=hotspur_krew link=topic=4477.msg68571#msg68571 date=1133392653]
    I play on B String....I got both BIB and Thunderstruck covered now... ;D
    [/quote]

    I checked in a tab book and it is B. Crap now I have to relearn it.
     
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    he does pick out the notes in thunderstruck. no pull offs. i have the live dvd and he picks out the whole thing without stopping. really really hard. i know someone who can do it really well though.
     
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    no pull-offs...?!??!
    well w/e hammer ons and pull offs work for me...if it aint broke, don't bother fixing it... ;)
     
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    [quote author=randyrhoadslives13 link=topic=4477.msg69295#msg69295 date=1133753972]
    he does pick out the notes in thunderstruck. no pull offs. i have the live dvd and he picks out the whole thing without stopping. really really hard. i know someone who can do it really well though.
    [/quote]

    Take a look at this video he is holding up his picking hand at the beginning then when he starts walking across the stage for some reason he makes it look like hes picking but I think hes still just hamering on and pulling off since it sounds the same. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1220160435236431388&q=AC/DC
     
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    Thunderstruck?

    just hammer on and pull off... No pick at all.... turn your amp pretty loud and it will be easier to do it.....I mute with my pick-hand fingers the small E and G...... so the B is free for hamering and other strings are not making noise and crik crak crok.......

    Don't forget that videos are lips sync.... and what you see is not what they may have done in studio.....
     
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    [quote author=lazybones link=topic=4477.msg67754#msg67754 date=1132938228]

    They definitely play the chords in open position in Back in Black.  The turnaround is tabbed correctly, but the phrasing is tricky.  I found it easier to help train my ear by playing it out without the bend:

    ----3-----0------------------------------------------------
    -----------------3------0----------------------------------
    --------------------------------4-----2-----0-------------
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------------------

    That way you can see the distinct notes in the line and feel the phrasing BEFORE adding the slurs with bends or pulloffs.  If you can play this line up to speed, it is dead simple to REMOVE pick-strokes to add slurs.
    [/quote]

    I like that approach. I tried doing it w just “hammer on's” and “pull off's” and I just don't get the same effect as I do with picking the whole thing. I checked my mammoth Bonfire TAB book and it is very near your tab. Here's my hand at displaying this part.

    Code:
                      B  R
    -3---0-------------------------------
    ---------3---0-----------------------
    ----------------2-(4)--2--0-----------
    --------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------
    
    This book does not come with it's own TAB explanation/legend so I wonder what B & R specifically means. And there's a little top of an umbrella shape, like a sideways parenthesis, that connects right over the 2 and 4, then a slightly larger one that connects the 4 and the next 2. I bet Angus bends it like that, but as for me, I’m doing good to bend it up one fret on such a quick paced lick.

    THANKS IYWBlood for your following tip!
     
  20. If You Want Blood

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    bend and release. that means you bend the second fret so its equal to the fourth (whole step)
     

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