SD JB sh-4 on my 2013 standard

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  1. RedMastiff

    RedMastiff Active Member

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    hi, yesterday at night I put a sd sh-4 on the bridge of my sg standard 2013.
    the thing is that everyone told me to not do it but as long as I tested, sounds pretty decent.
    Im using 500k pots and pio caps modern style wiring.
    im going to try this night on high volumes and will post my impresions.
     
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    Col Mustard Well-Known Member

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    sd makes good pickups... you can't really go wrong putting those
    in a Gibson... what some of us probably said was that your SG Standard already
    has excellent p'ups... so if you exchange a great pickup for an excellent pickup,
    have you accomplished anything?

    But it's your guitar and if your testing tells you that you like the one and not
    the other then more power to you. Now we want to hear you describe what the
    difference is when you plug it in crank it.
     
  3. RedMastiff

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    hey col:
    After 3 years, I tried all that is in my hand to love a classic on the bridge of my sg:
    tried modern wiring and 50s with the stock electronics.
    tried modern wiring and 50s with emertons 500k pots on tone and volume
    tried many diferent action and pickup highs.
    Right now im playing stoner rock style.
    lots of gain.
    57s got awesome presence and cut trought the mix but doesnt fit my taste.
    after I test with the JB im goin to try a 498t that I have.
    Im pretty sure that one of this two will stay.
    I also will keep the 57 on the neck at the moment since it sounds great but i give up with the classic on the bridge. sorry guys!!! xD
     
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    I've read a few recommendations for a Gibson T-Top or clone (e.g., Bare Knuckle Riff Raff) for stoner music when running lots of gain at the amp.

    Others have recommended high-output mid '70s Iommi style pickups like the Gibson Iommi or Bare Knuckle Warpig with less gain at the amp.

    I'm not sure which I would recommend personally. I think though that a lot of it is interaction between pickup and amp. Seems like there's a couple of roads you can go down.

    I personally run a Warpig into the lead channel of a Peavey 6534+ and I don't find that to be very stoner sounding. The tones I get are more sludge sounding, which is fine because I am not trying to play stoner metal. Personally I would go for something like a T-Top if I was to have a go at stoner, and use the crunch feature on the rhythm channel of my amp or get a lower gain amp than what I have now (I don't run a lot of pre-gain on my amp, currently it is aroud 11 o'clock with a clean boost set at 9 o'clock going into it, although as I said my pickups are high-output).

    I hope this helps. If you look on the Seymour Duncan and Bare Knuckle forums this issue of what pickups to use for stoner music has been discussed a few times
     
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    i dont know about the sd jb, i've never played it on an sg. But, recently i swapped the 57 bridge pickup with a 498t on my 2013 std, and the higher gain tones came to life. 57 are better for clean tones, but the 498t will make your guitar sound thicker,tighter, more alive, and will bark more of course on higher gain tones

    here is a link of the thread i opened when i did the swap:
     
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    hey ypnos:
    Im gogin to read the post right now.
    At the moment I found that puting the JB very close to the strings (about 3mm) sounds 6.5/10 (classic 57 on the bridge was 6/10 to me), im going to use the guitar this weekend on some jams on open surrounds and with other amps and setups to see how it sounds. what doesnt convince me is the soloing voice, a bit thin, and doesnt have near the presence of the 57. What I like its the output and compression, makes easier to play.
    After this weekend I will put a 498t.
    What Im searching is a bridge pickup that has the presence of the 57 classic and has a dark and thick solo voice. Also need it to have medium or high output instead of vintage output like 57 classic.
     
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    are you using it with the stock pots and caps? modern wiring?
     
  9. Westernrider

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    The SH4 can be an amazing pickup.

    I 've only owned one and it migrated between an SG, a 2 pickup LP Custom and a 3 pickup pancake LP Custom. It just was freaking unright in the first two guitars and absolutely stunning in the 3 pickup LP - firm bass, solid mids with some bite and the highs were present , not shrill or biting. When I sold the LP, the new owner liked the bridge and left it in.

    Give the JB a good chance. It can really shine.
     
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    yes, everything is stock apart the bridge pickup
     
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    I have an SH-4 and an SH-1 installed in my Framus Renegade (came stock like that). They are fantastic!!

    I have read that the SH-4 in an SG can sound a bit harsh in a not good way. But I've never had any experience with it.

    If you can record it, I would be very curious to hear it!
     
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    ok ill try to put a sample this night when i get on home
     
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    SH-1 and SH-4 on my 02 Gibson SG Special with slightly lower lows than the SH-2, well pronounced highs and slightly scooped mids. She is a beast; produces everything from classic rock tone to metal through my 50W EVH Head. I had an SH-2 on the neck before which in my opinion is also great, it has great mids, with a well define acoustic tonality. I had them all wire with the stock 333k Ohms vol. and 500K ohm tone.
     
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    didnt had time to post a sample yesterday.
    Ill try to post it this weekend, with luck this night
     
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    For rock, the 57 classic can be a bit bright, not enough mids. I stuffed a StewMac Overwound Golden Age in the bridge of my SG and I like it. It added more mids and high mids without losing presence or cut.

    A hot (but not crazy hot so you lose presence) pickup in the bridge is, in the words of Martha Stewart, "a good thing".

    P.
     
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    Hi Red, thanks, that would be great!
     
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    is there any page where i can upload sound samples easy?
    too lazy to make a vid on youtube :D
     
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    soundcloud?
     
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    This is pretty much what I was looking for in my V. I wanted to avoid using the standard ceramics from Gibson too. My V is a cousin to my faded crescent moon SG that has a set of 57/57+ in it, and I wanted to give the V a not too different, but more aggressive voice when desired.
    I went with a Manlius Asphalt in the bridge. No regrets at all.
    I may soon put the same in my above mentioned SG.

    http://www.manliusguitar.com/collections/humbuckers/products/asphalt
     
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  20. Dallaz

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    I had a JB installed in the bridge on my 2005 Special Faded. Sounded cool to begin with, especially while palm muting. but after a while i got annoyed with the harshness so i ended up putting the 490 back in (after testing the Rio Grande BBQ). Pretty satisfied with the 490 but think i would prefer the slightly hotter 498 if i could choose :)
     

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