SG '61 Reissue from 1968-1972? What is this?

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  1. Marshall SG

    Marshall SG New Member

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    I've recently been looking at this beat up SG '61 with a maestro vibrola and some changes made like Grover tuners and a Deluxe truss rod cover. I can't find anything like it and I'd like to definitively give it a name/history. If anybody can figure it out, they're on here no doubt. I'll post some pictures to help with the sleuthing. Thanks for your help!
    Serial number is 900437, impressed I believe and no made in the USA evident in it. I'll try to get the serial number photographed ad_1577243186747.jpg ad_1577243173897.jpg ad_1577243154665.jpg
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    1963-65 SG Standard

    Cannot be 1961-62 because those had Sideways Vibrola.
    Cannot be 1966-71 because those had large guard.
    Made in USA stamp did not occur until 1970.

    Serial numbers from that era not very reliable in determining age of guitar.

    Look inside the control cavity.
    If pots original, pot codes can indicate earliest year guitar was built.

    Format should be 137YYWW or 134YYWW

    134 = Centralab
    137 = CTS
    YY = Year
    WW = Week

    Sometimes the pot codes are on the backside of the pot, others have the pot code on the side.
     
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  4. Marshall SG

    Marshall SG New Member

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    Thanks for the intel cerebral gasket, will definitely check in to that. If I understand correctly then it would likely be a '63-65 depending on those codes and based on what you see and the info provided?
     
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    You can look at the nut width as well. The nut became narrower in 1965. The 1961-64s were 1 11/16” but the nut changed to 1 9/16 sometime in early 1965.

    Are the pup covers and Vibroma chrome or nickel? If chrome it is most likely a 1965 (or very early 1966). If it has a narrow nut and chrome, I’d say most def 65/66, if nickel and wide nut, 63/64. Pot codes will narrow it down even further.
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    That is correct.
    In addition, Gahr brought up a good point about the nut width that I forgot to mention.

    1965 - transition to 1-9/16" nut width.
    1966 - transition to batwing (large guard)

    Features can overlap into transition years.
    It's also not uncommon to use pots left over from previous year.

    1969-1970 was another transition period.
    Missing dot over the "i" on the headstock logo.
    Made in USA stamp appeared in 1970.
    Volutes started to appear late 1970.
     
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  7. Marshall SG

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    Awesome work guys, thanks so much for taking the time to provide me with all this information. Now I have a pretty narrow window, exactly what I was hoping for. Cheers gentlemen!:cheers:
     
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    The serial number decoder puts this as a ‘59 if it is a solidbody without “made in USA” and ‘70-‘72 if stamped with “made in USA”. None of these makes any sense.
     
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    If the serial number is original, then it's probably an early 1970 std that's been modded. Or the neck might have been a '69 put on a '70 and given a '70 serial number sans "made in...". The fuse knob is a bit odd. The guard and "deluxe" tress rod cover may have been changed and the body refinished. Have you looked at the pickups and harness?

    FWIW, this is NOT a '61 or a reissue and unless this Frankenstein is a $1 or the best sounding guitar you've ever heard, run don't walk away from this one.
     
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    Looks like a 65/66 because of the 1 9/16 in nut just by looking at the changes in fret board width from nut end to tenon end. Doesn't seem to be a 3-piece neck by the photo of the serial number area, and the small pickguard puts it in this period.
     
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    PermissionToLand Well-Known Member

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    Guys, read Cerebral Gasket's posts above you...
     

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