SG Faded's? Show them!

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  1. LeonSibum

    LeonSibum New Member

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    Hello everyone!

    My name is Leon, I am from The Netherlands and I'm new here. I was and still am a Tele guy, and the SG is really a new guitar to me as I've never really owned one before. But I recently caught on to the SG virus and now that I'm studying slide playing I figured an SG would be the perfect guitar for me, since I really love Derek Trucks' sound.
    I bought a used 2018 faded (technically called a tribute..?) which has been stripped of it's paint by the previous owner and rubbed with Danish oil. It's a great guitar, especially for the money, but it's not my ultimate SG.

    I haven't really made up my mind about what I'm going to do with this guitar. It's a decent guitar, but there are some things that I'm not super stoked about. I'm not in love with the pickups. They sound a bit dull and too wooly for me. I think I'm really going for the bright PAF type sound (Derek Trucks again). The electronics would also need replacing to suit my playing style as I'm not fond of the sound getting darker when I turn back the volume knob.
    My ultimate SG is a '61 reissue or custom shop, and I think I'm going to get one eventually anyway, probably in maybe a year or so. After this whole quarantine thing. But I'm still undecided if I'm going to invest in this guitar with new electronics and pickups, as it would probably cost me around €250 - €300, which is a lot of money that I can also save up for the ultimate SG.

    Ergo: Do any of you guys have faded or tribute SG's that you've modded? I would love to see them!! This is mine.

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  2. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Welcome!
    Really nice SG you have there.

    I had several SG Special Faded in the past.
    Sold them all and kept the 2004 SG Special Faded.
    Had it stripped, the grain filled and leveled, refinished to gloss Aged TV White.

    2004 SG Special with ebony board.

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  3. Biddlin

    Biddlin Well-Known Member

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    Here are mine.
     
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    papagayo Well-Known Member

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    I love mine, :smile::thumb:

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  5. LeonSibum

    LeonSibum New Member

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    Thanks! And I love that SG you have there! The white with the grain showing through is really awesome!
     
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    shreddy bender Well-Known Member

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    Welcome! Here's my 2003 Faded. FB_IMG_1550189714704.jpg
     
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    I have to say that that is a very good looking guitar there, haven't seen one like it, cool grain and colors. I'd hold on to it if I were you. (ok, I'd give it a thick clearcoat of nitro as well, but that's just me)
    Try lowering the pups and raising the pole pieces as well as changing the caps to .010, throw in a treble bleed pot and you're off. And so perhaps your total upgrade budget will amount to about a couple of €...
     
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    Well man, first off, that guitar is one of a kind. It is beautiful. Never say would grain patterns like that. Second, there is nothing wrong with it as I can hear, and know about fadeds. The pickups are, if they are the 490 then they are crystal clear. Maybe they were switched on yours. That said, I think you should play it more and check out what the pickups are. Bring it to a luthier for a revision and pickup ajustment. You have an amazing guitar, just play it.
     
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  9. Col Mustard

    Col Mustard Well-Known Member

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    +1 on that. Lots of new members come aboard talking
    about how their pickups are muddy, or they are too
    tinny sounding... or both. None of this needs to be true.

    First of all, how old are the strings? Old dead strings
    are no indicators of your guitar's tone. So if the strings
    are old, remove them.

    Before you install new strings,
    Measure the height of the bridge thumb wheels in mm
    and then remove the bridge and tailpiece. Unscrew the
    pick guard and remove that. Look carefully at the pickups.
    Then you'll know if they are original or have been replaced.
    Here's what a pair of 490R and 490T
    pickups look like on the bottom.
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    Once you've looked at the bottom of the pickups,
    if they look like the ones illustrated, I suggest you get
    some stiff foam and a sharp knife. Cut a couple of pieces
    of foam to fit under the rear edge of each pickup.
    The height may be 20mm under the neck pickup and maybe
    25mm under the bridge pickup.
    Gibson 490 pickups sound better when level with the
    strings (not the top of the guitar) This isn't true for
    all pickups, but especially for 490s. When you put
    the guitar back together, look to see how parallel
    the pickups are with the strings. The closer they are
    to parallel, the better they'll sound. It's a hassle
    but it's worth it.

    Gibson pickups are accurate, and so are most of the
    aftermarket pickups. So the tone you hear will
    very likely be due
    to other factors, and also the way you perceive
    the tone may be according to what you are used to.

    If you are used to Telecasters, switching to a Gibson
    will need a different EQ. But if you are a Tele guy,
    you know full well that the Telecaster can produce almost any
    sound a player needs. And so can the SG special.

    It all comes down to EQ. The reason we like to have both
    SGs and Telecasters is that each can provide a different
    starting point for the EQ, and having both makes your music
    richer and more interesting.

    I have replaced the pickups in my SG faded special.
    I fell so hard in love with this instrument that I was
    driven to buy all the best of everything for this guitar.
    I have owned mine since 2008. I named her Luna, and
    she is still the Queen of my music room.
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    For pickups I installed Gibson '57 Classic and Classic Plus.
    SGs and '57s are made for each other IMHO.
    I may describe my other mods in another post.
     
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    Col Mustard Well-Known Member

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    For posterity, I will attest that my heavily modified SG Faded Special
    can take her place onstage alongside instruments costing ten times
    as much, and not give up a thing.

    Every time I set this guitar down after playing, it's with the spoken
    or unspoken comment: "WHAT A GREAT GUITAR."
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    That says worlds, coming from me. I have owned some excellent
    instruments. I'm not a shredder, and only a marginal soloist, but
    this remarkable and humble SG special has freed my style, and
    given me a platform from which to fly.
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    When I joined ETSG 12 years ago, guys here suggested to me that the SG might enable my playing, and enhance my style, and facilitate advances in
    how I make music. I was skeptical, knowing my own virtues and
    limitations well, from forty years on the road.

    But this turned out to be true. I'm older than dirt now, but I feel like
    I'm actually playing my best. That also says worlds. Whether it makes
    any difference now that I'm old... that's up to me. *grins
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    I will say that I believe a Gibson SG faded special makes an excellent
    mod platform. These guitars can be bought used for reasonable money
    almost anywhere. Like an Epiphone, they begin with a basic fine guitar
    and the owner can add improvements according to his ability to pay for
    them. AND the guitar responds very well to upgrades.
     
  11. LeonSibum

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    Thanks for the lengthy comments! I'm 100% sure the pickups are stock. I thought about switching out the pots, because I think the PCB pots that are in here are 300k? I must've read that somewhere on here. If that's true than it's no mystery why it sounds a little dark... Those classic 57's sound good to me!
     
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    Guys! Small question... Do we need long or short shafted pots for our SG's? Thanks!
     
  13. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Short shaft pots for SG
     
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    papagayo Well-Known Member

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    Short shafts, log (audio) potentiometers for the volume contrôle .
     
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    Col Mustard Well-Known Member

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    oh yeah, and one really important modification
    that can really unleash your SG's savage bite
    and growl, and free your SG's banshee wail...
    KNOBS THAT GO TO 11.
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    ya only need them on the volume pots, of course.
    Allparts has them.
     
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  16. LeonSibum

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    Thanks guys!!
     
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    Why not on the tone knobs?! 11 tone. That's what you want, am I right?!
     
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    I think he means all pots, because they're all the same of course. Incidentally there are knobs for sale that go to 11...
     
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    View attachment 40269 I have returned to my SG once again. I owned one or two back in the early 70's (both were late 60's models). I am fond of Teles and Jazzmasters but I returned to the SG. It is a 2017 model 'worn/faded/tribute series model' SG9b.jpg (purchased in October of 2016) from Guitar Center brick and mortar store. It seems to surpass the neck on my 2019 LP Tribute.
     

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