SG finish question

Discussion in 'Tone Zone' started by hambucker, Jan 2, 2005.

  1. hambucker

    hambucker Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    369
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Chicago
    Are most SGs finished in poly? I can't find any info on this.
     
  2. CharlieB

    CharlieB Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    6,128
    Likes Received:
    2
    All Gibson, even the SG Special-faded are laquer. That faded stuff doesn't look like laquer, but it is.

    There were a FEW Gibsons made - other models - that were finished in poly. Gotta look thru Gibsons discontinued model section at http://www.gibson.com

    The Epis are all poly.
     
  3. SG Lou

    SG Lou Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2004
    Messages:
    7,334
    Likes Received:
    369
    Location:
    Fords, NJ
    Welcome abroad Hambucker ! All of Gibson finishes are of the Lacquer variety. Be it Nitrocellulose or Acrylic Lacquer. Fender uses "poly' on all models except if it comes from the Custom Shop,than its Lacquer.
    side note: Fender and Gibson's "Custom Colors " are actually acrylic lacquer with a Nitrocellulose Clear Coat. Epiphones are done in poly.
    Hope this answers your question!

    ..Lou
     
  4. CharlieB

    CharlieB Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    6,128
    Likes Received:
    2
    Brucewayne - these two Gibsons (at least) have poly finishes.

    Les Paul with poly finish: (The Paul SL)
    http://www.gibson.com/products/gibson/lespaul/ThePaulSL.html

    Les Paul with poly finish (Les Paul Special SL)
    http://www.gibson.com/products/gibson/lespaul/SpecialSL.html

    And in addition to the Custom Shop Fender's, the entire "American Vintage" line has a nitro laquer finish, two examples

    52 RI Telecaster, nitro laquer
    http://www.fender.com/products/show.php?partno=0100202

    62 RI Jazzmaster, nitro laquer
    http://www.fender.com/products/show.php?partno=0100800
     
  5. hambucker

    hambucker Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    369
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Chicago
    Anyone know about the SG-X? I seems like bsically a Special with only one humbucker. I can't tell from the scratches.
     
  6. CharlieB

    CharlieB Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    6,128
    Likes Received:
    2
    laquer
     
  7. hambucker

    hambucker Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    369
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Chicago
    I know, I ask a lot of questions, but what are the differences between poly, notro and acrylic? Is nitro better than acrylic?
     
  8. CharlieB

    CharlieB Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    6,128
    Likes Received:
    2
    Polyurethane is one type of finish that can be air drying or catalytically hardened. The finish changes its nature as it dries from being a liquid to a hard(ish) plastic. There are some very hard poly finishes out there (ie, Fender factory finish, gunstock finishes, etc). Poly finishes look ok, buff out ok, but are hard to touch up as the finish does not melt into itself. That is, once its dry, its dry pretty much forever.

    Laquer, nitrocellulose or acrylic, both are finishes that will melt with laquer thinner... and if you need to touch one up, they will melt into each other and make the work pretty easy actually. Laquer is very hard, shrinks as it dries, and tends to crack under extreme temperture changes. Minor dings and imperfections are very easy to repair. Nitro laquer will yellow quite a bit with exposure to UV light.

    For more info go to Guitar Re-Ranch's website.
     
  9. hambucker

    hambucker Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    369
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Chicago
    Thanks for the info, I was only really familiar with nitro and poly. I'll check reranch.com.
     
  10. SG Lou

    SG Lou Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2004
    Messages:
    7,334
    Likes Received:
    369
    Location:
    Fords, NJ
  11. hambucker

    hambucker Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    369
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Chicago
    I checked that site out, very informative. Thanks guys.
     
  12. Tony M

    Tony M Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2004
    Messages:
    3,759
    Likes Received:
    2,860
    Location:
    NYC
    Charlie,
    Statement:
    The guitar to the left is bare mahogany (no finish). I noticed that when you waxed the
    faded SG you achieved startling results. I was (am) wondering what brand/type of
    wax you used to achieve the aforementioned startling results.
    Question:
    What brand and type of wax did you use on the faded SG to achieve such startling results?
     
  13. 1959burst

    1959burst Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2004
    Messages:
    178
    Likes Received:
    38
    Location:
    sault sainte marie ontario canada
    poly sucks! like having your speakers wearing a condom! :shock:
     
  14. CharlieB

    CharlieB Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    6,128
    Likes Received:
    2
    Burst - nice to see you participating! I wouldn't say poly sucks. It has its place ya know. I cant say I would choose it over laquer, but sometimes you have no choice.

    Tony - Butchers Boston Polish, a very stiff paste wax. Terrible for the laquer if I ever want do a refin, but if it got to that it would be a stripdown anyway, so I'm not too concerned (ie, life for today attitude on it)
     
  15. 1959burst

    1959burst Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2004
    Messages:
    178
    Likes Received:
    38
    Location:
    sault sainte marie ontario canada
    it has it's place but not on instruments!!! manufacturers use it coz it's easier to work with and it resists dents and scratches during shipping, it even resists cracking during temp changes. but it does suck tone! no use having fine grade tonewood covered in plastic! :wink: nice to be back charlie! thanks. 8)
     
  16. CharlieB

    CharlieB Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    6,128
    Likes Received:
    2
    So like a poly finish would make a difference on a Les Paul as it crackles in the fire? HAA!
     
  17. 1959burst

    1959burst Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2004
    Messages:
    178
    Likes Received:
    38
    Location:
    sault sainte marie ontario canada
    yeah it would burn like melted plastic! 8)
     
  18. Voxman

    Voxman Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    14,207
    Likes Received:
    545
    Location:
    LINY and Satillite Beach

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice