SG Supreme Refret questions

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    I have an SG Supreme that I want to get refretted. I want the absolute tallest fret wire possible for bending and doing vibrato as I like wide vibrato. I'm going to refret with either Jescar 58118 (.58 high by .118 wide) stainless steel or Jescar 57110 (.57 high by .110 wide) stainless steel. On a 22 fret model the 58118 should be good however the SG supreme having 24 frets could the 58118 be too wide? Will it leave no room for the 23rd and 24th fret? I've seen pictures of this fretwire on regular Gibson's and it looks okay up top but with 24 frets I'm unsure which I should go with. Will .57 vs .58 matter when they crown the frets? I know they shave off material to level and crown them. Will I be able to tell between .57 and .58 or are they so close it's impossible to feel a difference? What will .110 vs .118 feel like? I've never played either of these frets but I'm very excited to try them out.
    My SG supreme is a 2000 model. Does anybody know the stock Gibson fretwire measurements or size from that era?
    Thank you.
     
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    These are the frets on my Les Paul and SG
     
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    I really think you could go quite a bit more subtle in your fret choice without losing the ability to play wide vibrato. Have you tried a few guitars to see what feels good? I know this is your choice, but a refret is a big decision and you don't want to end up disappointed.

    And as you like wide vibrato, make the new frets full width, right over the binding. Nibs and wide vibrato don't mix - especially when, like yours, they have actually parted company with their frets, leaving a gap for the string to catch in.
     
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    Yes I have played a few different guitars. I like wider frets and have played guitars with frets in the .105-.110 width range and like the feel. As I said the ones on my Les Paul are .105 wide and .047 high. I like them but now having played other guitars I really wish I went much taller. And yes I plan on eliminating the nibs. That's why I was pondering between both of those Jescar fret choices I posted in the first post. The difference between .057 x .110 and .058 x .118. I went to guitar center and none of the guitars they had in stock had these frets. They're so large, they really don't come on most standard models.
     
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    OK, but that is a 24 fret guitar. There's not going to be much room for fingers up the top there. Here's another thought for you. Rather than huge tall frets, you may want to consider getting the fretboard scalloped. You can choose your own effective height that way, not limited to what you can get from a fret.
     
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    I've thought about that but I'd rather not ruin the ebony board on this guitar as its a real ebony board not the fake richlite stuff they're using now. Will the .058 vs .057 height be a noticeable difference or is it so minute of a difference they're almost identical?
     
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    0.057 vs 0.058
    Can you see or feel the difference of 1/1000 of an inch?
     
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    I wasn't sure if it matters since they're going to take some material off when they do the crowning. I suppose it won't matter really. Given the height is pretty much the same then, will both of these frets feel pretty much identical or will the .110 vs .118 have a different? They're both quite wide.
     
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    Difference between 0.110 and 0.118 is 0.008 or 8/1000 of an inch. If you get a set of calipers and measure various objects of that scale it will help you get a better idea of what those numbers represent.

    Instead of getting caught up with numbers on a spec sheet, maybe go play several guitars with varying fret wire size and see what works best for you.

    Ebony boards have a tight grain and feel smooth compared to a rosewood board that has more open grain, so even with fret wire that is not as tall, bends and vibrato should not be an issue.

    How do you think vibrato is achieved on stringed instruments without frets such as violins and cellos?

    Having taller frets is also going to affect your intonation and cause notes to go sharp when fretted if you are heavy handed.

    IMO the stock fret wire size on Gibsons is great. I don’t feel the need to try to make a great guitar better than what it already is. Usually all it needs is a proper setup. Most of the time my playing technique is what needs improvement.
     
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