Soapbar humbucker to replace P90

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  1. Hispania

    Hispania Member

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    Hello SG partners,

    I have an ebony 2011 SG Special with p90s and I wanna get a more fat and punchy tone. I love P90 for classic rock, but when I play hard and heavy (most of the time) the guitar sounds... Well, a bit thin and underpowered.

    So I've looked at the few soapbar humbuckers you can find out there, and the candidates are the GFS soapbar humbucker, the Dimarzio Tone Zone P90 and the Dimarzio DLX Plus. GFS seem to have worse tone than the Dimarzios, but if you have output about them, tell me.

    I want to get a hot vintage kind of sound, for 70s and 80s hard rock and classic metal. I'm afraid of the high output that Dimarzios have...

    Thank you all guys.
     
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    eS.G. Well-Known Member

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    I have a Dimarzzio SUPER "D" in my homemade Explorer. (the neck pick up is a 6.00 ebay P.O.S. and is there to fill the hole basically, I never use it)

    I LOVE the Dimarzzio for RAWK I don't do much metal anymore but I could see where ---with the right amp settings-- it could do that quite well.

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    Yeah I have an 80s SuperD in my Godin redline and I love it, but on this SG I can only put a soapbar humbucker... Hard to know what to take, thank you man!
     
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    Buy a booster pedal. You're not going to get a better P-90 pickup than you've got.
    ;>)/
     
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    I dont want a P90. I'm looking for one of those soapbar humbuckers. Thank you for the advice.
     
  6. Dave

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    I have as set of the Dimarzio DLXs in my Les Paul Special and they sound FANTASTIC.
    The original P90s sounded good but the buzz was unacceptable at gigs.

    The output ratings on Dimarzios site are kind of misleading. They seem really high on the DLXs but they are not overly high gain.
    They are just a great set of Classic Rock PUs.

    I was a bit worried about the ceramic magnets but they give the PUs an aggressive edge that really cuts through in a band setting.
    In my Les Paul they are fat, clear and raunchy all at the same time. They clean up nicely with just the guitar's volume knob.

    They dropped right in without any modifications needed.

    They are some of the better PUs I've ever played thru. Not just soapbar style but of all PUs I've ever used.


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    We're talking about your bridge pickup aren't we ? Before going humbucker, try to raise the pickup as high as you can, almost touching the string ... really. P90s can sound bleh if too low, but they get very balsy (or testicular as Biddlin would put it) when well adjusted.
     
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  8. Hispania

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    I have them touching the strings, trust me they aren't working :confused:

    Good information... Can it be compared with a PAF in terms of output or more a Custom 5/JB kind? Does it stay vintage? Thank you.
     
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    I would put them more in the "Hot Vintage" category.
    Definitely more like a PAF but a bit on the hotter side.
    Lots of harmonics & bite without any mud. The lows stay really tight.
     
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    im installing the railhammer Gnarly_90s on my ltd viper next month give them a try and look for reviews maybe its what you are looking for

    http://www.railhammer.com/Gnarly_90_neck.html

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    and i think thats the coolest pic of lord iommi in your profile picture
     
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    These sure are perty !
     
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    Thank you for the repplies, they are very helpful. But the DLX is just what I'm looking for, I think I'll go with them. It seems there is no love for the Tone Zone.
     
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    Not even close, to my ears, more like hot PAFs, but then I've never had a "thin and underpowered" P90, either. That's a new one, on me. The soapbar p-90s I have are all stock Gibsons and original to the guitar. I use a booster pedal to get my Humbuckers to fill out the bottom end and eq to filter off the top.
     
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    My Les Paul is currently having the frets leveled.
    If I had it at home I'd do a quick video demo of the DLXs for you.
     
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    That is an awsome guitar! Love the inlays
     
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    If your P-90s are touching the strings, that's likely why you don't care for the tone.
    drop the pickup a little bit, so there's a few mm of clearance and see if t hat doesn't improve
    the sound AND the presence. Bridge P-90s need to be close to the strings, but too close and the magnets
    begin to inhibit the movement, and choke your tone.
    >What you described does NOT sound like correct P-90 tone to me. I just bought my first P-90 guitar three months or so ago and have been exploring the tone with enthusiasm. So I think you could figure out what's choking your
    guitar's proper sound without going to the hassle and expense of replacing p'ups.
    >The other thing you might consider (if you must take out the P-90) is a mini humbucker. Those fit right in the
    same place and use the same bottom plate. I really like the minis in my '12 SG special. A Mini out of a Firebird
    might also be just the ticket. My SG special has Alnico magnets in the Minis, and the ones in the Firebird are a lot
    hotter with ceramic magnets. Good luck.
     
  19. Hispania

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    Compared to an 80s SuperD on my Godin, it is... Lot less balls and power. I want more refination with my SG pickup, but not so much!! :D
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I love the P90, and I won't sell it. Playing early Sabbath is unique, but with the SuperD I can play EVERYTHING even better (it sounds so hot vintagy...), even early sabbath... So the SG is a bit parked... I'm a humbucker guy I'm afraid.
     

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