Study of early Gibson SG Cases-- 60' to 65'

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  1. Voxman

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    [size=20pt]Study of early Gibson SG Cases-- 60' to 65'[/size]

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    The sixties early Brown case, type 1 from around of 60' and type 2 from around of 61' and type 3 from around of 64 and type 4 from around of 65 is from above, but the age here is standard to the last and really rather it is thought as the thing which is complicated with circumstance such as relationship of stock.





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    [size=20pt]① BROWN CASE[/size]
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    The case which has brown tolex cover and pink liner which is similar to the case of the 50's. It seems that is attached to the extremely first stage SG's of 60', but because stock remains it seems that was shipped till possibly around 63.(?)
    In order for you to know, the case for the Les Paul at the beginning the Brown case (was only type 535), but the black case for custom (type 537) was added simultaneously with the custom's appearance 1954. Therefore one for SG standard first (535) with for custom (537) it is presumed that was the schedule of the time frame. But the catalog of the beginning when body changes from the Les Paul to SG (the picture under) both standard and custom “ 0537 Faultless and gold plush-lined case $47.50” it is written, when announcing it seems that already becomes only the black case.

    It probably means that why the Brown case becomes unable to use?
    First, as for being thought, it is the improvement of efficiency = cost reduction with standardizing the specification of case. Because SG similar ES335 and the like has changed to the sixties to the black case, perhaps this cost reduction theory powerful.
    It is thought the next ones are changing their image with respect to marketing. Several lots brown case was produced at the beginning, as the one for SG standard , being made immediately before the product announcement, that it is thought whether it is not to be changed into the case, where, with the purpose, which renovates the former image ... also the case has an inner lining of luxurious gold and the cover of black.
    It is digression, but even with recent Gibson, the case for historic changed,from Brown to black, don't you think?? In regard to the reason why it was modified there is no reason which is known, but this black case being light, also has good balance!


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    [size=20pt]② BLACK CASE TYPE1[/size]

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    It is thought that the case which is in the 61' catalog of the Les Paul SG begins with this type . Basically it is identical with the ①, but the aforementioned way is different because the black cover and inner change is received. It seems that it was used to around 61~63 year. The 61 SGLP Standard had entered the market with this case.


    [size=20pt]③ BLACK CASE TYPE2[/size]


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    The type 2 is where the pad changes are. Although lower bottom arch of the cover became smaller (?), the maestro arm (the leaf spring), changed from the side to side arm, but, not all yet, and there's ebony blocks too, but , it moves the position of the pad of cover side closer to the neck somewhat, and makes the pad of the neck joint part thicker. It seems that was used to around 63~64 year. 64 SG standards also seemed to have come this case too (?).


    [size=20pt]④ BLACK CASE TYPE3[/size]

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    The aforementioned ③ and the type 3, also has the intermediate specification of ⑤! Inner, also including the pad, is the same as the ③, but the cover and latch have become same as the ⑤. As for the cover, the shape became smaller and also became like a pear pattern.

    [size=20pt]⑤ BLACK CASE TYPE4[/size]

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    The covering is the same as the ④, but the type 4 where inner and the pad change is. The head angle after 65' reaching 14 degrees, it seems, that is used in the 65's and the next many years coming into regular use!


    [size=20pt]< Comparison of pad > [/size]

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    BROWN CASE (the picture left) with BLACK CASE TYPE1 (the picture right) cloth of the cover and inner color just differs but seems completely the same. Because the arm hits to the pad which is attached to the cover part V mark of the surface of pad.

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    BLACK CASE TYPE3 (the picture left) with BLACK CASE TYPE4 (the picture right) the pad and inner differ. It becomes the light yellow where form of the pad of the neck joint section from trapezoid becomes close in shape of a rectangle, the hair foot is long.
     
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    [size=20pt]< Comparison of finishing screw between divider and hatches > [/size]


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    From the picture left
    BROWN CASE, BLACK CASE TYPE1, BLACK CASE TYPE2, BLACK CASE TYPE3 and BLACK CASE TYPE4.
    2 the left have remained with 2 finishing screws each, but, the others have 1 of these finishing screws.


    [size=15pt]< Comparison of installation position of Handle and latch > [/size]

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    From the picture left
    BROWN CASE, BLACK CASE TYPE1, BLACK CASE TYPE2, BLACK CASE TYPE3 and BLACK CASE TYPE4.
    As for the Handle the 2 on the left it is the same shape. As for installation position all 5 are disjointed. The 3 right are similar but slightly shaped differently
     
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    [size=20pt]< Comparison of latch > [/size]

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    From the picture left
    BROWN CASE, BLACK CASE TYPE1, BLACK CASE TYPE2, BLACK CASE TYPE3 and BLACK CASE TYPE4.
    As for latch type 1 and 2, type 3 & 4 being the same respectively, the Brown case is different from either one.The 50's case and 60's brown case are almost the same, However the metallic parts of the latch and the handle differ. The bottom is the SGLP case

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    [size=20pt]< Comparison of case bottom > [/size]

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    From the picture left
    BROWN CASE, BLACK CASE TYPE1, BLACK CASE TYPE2, BLACK CASE TYPE3 and BLACK CASE TYPE4.
    Up to type 2 it seems that latch has been attached even on bottom, but after that it is abbreviated, also, it seems that arrangement of latchs of other cases are modified.
     
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    Voxman Moderator Staff Member

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    Seech That took way too long ...but I've been meaning to do this thread for a year and a 1/2 now! :)
     
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    It's a much appreciated effort Voxman. I recently bought a 1960s case for my 64 Standard (at a reasonable price) which was advertised as late 60s, i.e. 1966-1970 model. My 64 fits nicely but I've been wondering if it is late 60s or earlier. Your photos will help enormously. Perhaps this information should be logged in the mainpage section on "Identifying Your SG"? Great work. :notworthy: O0
     
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    Voxman Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, thanks Java .. I always thought we needed this section BUT I'm not sure all of the info is 100% correct yet but at least it's all out there and we can all work on it as a work in progress :)
     
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    I Forgot This little area .............

    [size=20pt]< Case Coverings > [/size]

    [​IMG] Brown Cali Case covering 60 or so!

    [​IMG] Black 61' SGLP case - Rough covering

    [​IMG] Black 62/63 (?) SGLP case covering - Smoother, flatter grain

    [​IMG] Black 63/64/65 (?) SGLP case covering .. Very fine, smooth grain
     
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    BRILLIANT Stuff Voxy O0
     
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    Great Work Voxy........... :notworthy: :notworthy: :Bangin:
     
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    a reference guide is a great idea!

    cant wait for the next installment.
     
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    Voxman Moderator Staff Member

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    This is a very rare limited production 68 Gibson SG printed tolex hard case, with maroon interior lining ... can ya tell it's from 68' ?

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    very cool , thanks
     
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    [quote author=Voxman link=topic=14555.msg190401#msg190401 date=1187824453]
    This is a very rare limited production 68 Gibson SG printed tolex hard case, with maroon interior lining ... can ya tell it's from 68' ?

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    Is that yours, or did you break in while I was out? :)
     
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    I dunno about all this guitar case stuff, Voxman. It's undeniably very detailed, but.........do you think you maybe need to get out more? :rofl:
     
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    Voxy, this was absolutely brilliant. This is the type thing that you can't find anywhere but on ETSG. You are "The Man".
     
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    Yup, Da Voxman know his stuff :naughty:
     
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    Well done. I can't even remember the details of my 70's SG case.:dunno:
     
  18. Tony M

    Tony M Well-Known Member

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    Sweet. It's not even 10AM and I have gotten my "knowledge snack" for today.
    Thank you Vox for doing the considerable amount of work that went into that study.

    "If you let a day go buy without learning something, that day has been wasted."
    - My Father to me when I was 8 years old -
     
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    Any ideas on the vintage of this case? It was included with my 1963 SG, but I'm going to guess that its from the 70's or 80's.

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    Looks early 70s to me, Dan!
     

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