The Truth About Marshall Stacks (there, I said it)

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  1. Relic61

    Relic61 Well-Known Member

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    Honestly I'm in agreement with Gtone on this. It really is hard to compare the newer amps to the JMP era stuff. They just aint the same beast anymore. As you can tell if you peruse my pics, I got a $#!Tload of vintage JMP Marshall amps & I have them for a good reason. They easily produce the power, response & tone I want from a Rock N Roll guitar amplifier. They do the job perfectly for my wants & needs in a Rock situation with the 50 watters getting preferrence over the Super Lead due to there quicker & thicker saturation & easier tube overdrive as well as their added harmonic richness when pushed past 10 O'Clock on the volume dial. But the 100 watters are beautiful at what they do too. Thats why one amp is never enough!

    I actually do not own a 50 or 100 watt DSL or TSL but have only read good things about them from those that do. I do own some newer Marshall 1 watt 50th Anniversary heads (a JMP 1C & a JVM 1H) & I like them both better than any newer Marshall head I have tried in the last 20 years including my own 50 watt Vintage Modern!

    But everybody's tastes are different. I get that & I'll never put someone down because they like something different than me or dont like what I like. I could see Smitty being quite happy with a JCM 2000. They seem quite versatile in their range of tones & textures despite (to my ears) none of them being able to replicate, respond or generate what the the old vintage JMP 50 watters could do, & to me thats true to a less dramatic extent for the 100 watters too for that matter. Kind of funny when you think about it but I really find that to be the case & honestly believe it to be true.

    I knocked myself silly a couple of years ago comparing, researching & playing the gamut of amplifiers available to me over a 3-4 year period & tried to make a bunch of amps work at gigs, weekly rehearsals & jams. I honestly found there is just something special about that JMP era 50 watt Marshall amplifier that my ears dont hear in anything else I've ever tried! But I was raised on JMP era Rock Guitar goodness so...that kind of makes sense when ya think about it that way I reckon.

    Now that really is a statement when you think about it fellas. But lets keep it our secret huh! I still pick up these amps when opportunity knocks & certainly dont need prices to go up any further or available inventory to dwindle so, sshhhh. Mums on the Marshalls!

    Turn it up!
     
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    Amen brother - ain't that the truth!

    Like Voxey said, playing an old Marshall is like a rite of passage in a guitarist's journey. I'm happy to be on that pilgrimage...:dude:
     
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    I flunked my rite of passage in the 70's, then!

    Every time I'd play on a buddy's Marshall stack I felt a disturbance in the force about my playing. Many times I tried to control the mighty Marshalls, and the dark side always prevailed.

    I would run back to my Showman and JBL rig and then all was well.

    We just never got on, as it were. Still mainly a Fender player today.

    I never owned nor gigged on a Marshall, by my choice, but hat's off to you guys.
     
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    Tony M Well-Known Member

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    I never got it either.
    I got a Hiwatt instead.
     
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    Hiwatt - Classic British Guitar and Bass Amplification

    You can still get one.

    "I thought Marshalls were awful, and I’m afraid I still do, although that’s just a personal opinion. I don’t mean it’s bad stuff: I just mean I didn’t like the sound. And when I heard Hiwatt I was over the moon, because they sounded to me much more like a really good, top-line mid-’60s Fender amp. I still think it’s hard to beat Fender amps; they’re astonishing."

    Hiwatt CP103 and DR103W | Pete Townshend’s Guitar Gear | Whotabs
     
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    Two points I need to address , and i'ts tricky to digest lest ya sitting here and I walk one through it , as , someone has , many many years ago! The 66' JTM 45 Marshall head I like to use The best clean sound and as you raise the volume you get the , well. arguable, one of the best distorted sounds, please notice I've mentioned "one " as there are many .. if you roll down the volume and tone , depending on the sweep of your pups controls, linear being my druthers due to the sweep , to 7,8,9, rather than wide open, tone and volume, it cleans right up to the sweetest, warm tone while if you dig in the grinding compression gives you very emotional and thats not yet raising the volume but you attack. Then you add in you're " choice of notes" sequence .. , accents, another topic of interest !
    The second point is the aspect of "GAIN " , and it;s an interestering concept since it's not a booster pedal, overdrive or distortion but rather A higher waveform field yields such an extremely wide , full sound , so to speak, from the left field fence to the right field fence .... if anyone is still interested I'll go on ... since every day I learn new ideas and concepts on guitars n amps that it increases my desire to keep " On the Case " as the British say! While , being a work in progress I still get all manner of interesting ideas and concepts, no matter what anyone's level is, from all the members here of which I thank you all for!
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    Whats funny is I remember being a very young teenager & playing on a 50 watt JMP half stack for the first time & experiencing a level of guitar nirvana & interaction like I had never felt before from a guitar amplifier. It was simply magic. It allowed me to play like I never played before. By the time I got around to buying a new Marshall they had morphed into the JCM 900 series. While a cool amp capable of way more tube overdrive & distortion than those early non master JMP heads, it just didn't have the same tonal response & interaction those JMP heads produced (most likely due to design & component changes and one additional gain stage in the JCM's pre-amp). At the time I little understood the interactive & complex makings of a rockin tube amplifier & I (like some others here) had become disenchanted with Marshall & honestly perceived them as thin sounding buzz boxes! OWWW!

    I spent way too many years apart & separated from the earlier JMP powered jam sessions of my youth, so when I did eventually get reacquainted with those vintage heads I was a little miffed at myself for not realizing sooner that 1, the JMP heads were the magic harmonic making powerhouse amps I was missing & looking to interact with when playing guitar & 2, I didnt need the new updated coolest amp around to acheive the power & voice for my guitar I was looking for.

    Once the idea of owning older vintage amps clicked, I began an enthusiastic learning experience that I'm still on today. I hear something special in those old amps that I really like & that I find honestly, well, missing from todays mass produced offerings. The vintage amps often have a depth, fedelity & warmth I just dont hear in most of the newer Marshall & Fender & yada yada yada amplifiers for whatever reasons. I believe the actual reasons are a cumulative affect due to construction, design & components used, as well as todays tubes not being exactly the same as yesteryear's.(but some tube manufacturers are making great strides)

    These are just my thoughts and experiences & only meant to stimulate interest & thought on the subject. I am not expert or guru but I do have a genuine passion, excitement & interest for vintage amplifiers & gear, and for a good reason. They get me off!

    Dont step in that.
     
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    Six String Moderator Staff Member

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    Hey Vox..... is this a welcome back or just a stop for a coffee.....? Either way.... good seeing you! :)
     
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    With the gear he's had and played, he should be writing a book or something. Welcome back Voxman and please feel free to share some more of your experience with us... :applause:
     
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    Someone spoke of the idea of Marshall wallpaper.well if ya go into Guitar Center.on the wall where they hang there guitars is exactly that,Marshall stack wallpaper.
     
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    well, right now my living room amps ; 65` Deluxe -Reverb, `71 Marshall 10 wattw/ 2-10" Goodmans, 64` Selmer Croc Thunderbird, and a `62 Fender brown super w/ 2- changed 10's ... that's till the bride hollars, cause then I put em away ... and .... start all over again with others ... that's till the bride hollars, cause then I put em away ... and .... start all over again with others. :dunno:
    The Deluxe "does it" anywhere from 3 to 7, The Marshall 10 watt needs lots of coaxing thou you can play it on 10 all day and not cause oneself or others much damage :mad: The selmer T-Bird does it all, millions of sounds @ any volume:naughty: while the Brown super ah, doesn't do too much for me except become a good platform to try pedals on! Farting about with 2 Mad Professor units ... a "Golden Cello" and a "Simble "

    And , to address SixStrings ... I managed to get a nice severe injury w/ a long recovery period! I tore the entire Quad off the kneecap. Wound up like a braciole with a knee cap flappin in the breeze like a Jib sail on a sailboat! Seems they drill a hole or two in the knee cap n stretch the tendons round thru the holes and sew em back up :squint: As I've said a very rare injury to deal with so I wasn't at all motivated to do any `puterin at all!
     
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    Tony M Well-Known Member

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    How the Hell did you do that?

    I managed to completely sever my left ACL about 18 months ago
    but ripping the quad off the kneecap? We gotta hear this one.
     
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    Yup. And, of course, Pics or it didn't happen!
     
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    Well, I'm glad to see you back and feeling better, Voxman.
     
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    i own several marshals, fender twin & other stuff/amps & i would never confuse them because there different.
    Viva la Difference

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    So it appears you are into what these older guitar amplifiers bring 'to the mix'. :naughty: Is it safe to say you also feel like me in that the fidelity, tone, response & interactive feel of these vintage tubers are just hard to find in todays mass produced offerings of amplifiers?? For me at least, I find it's sometimes hard to find the best words to use when describing the differences between old & new.

    To be fair, there are some higher end amps & boutique builders that make fine amps. But lets just talk about for instance ... how the Marshall amp has changed. I just dont hear the fidelity today in their everyday lineup like the MG series, but sometimes their special editions like their little 1 watt 50th Anniversary amps knock $#!T out of the park, but they just aren't the same as a big EL34, KT66 or 6550 powered Marshall from the JTM, JMP or even the earlier JCM era! (on a personal note, I hear the JCM era as the point of most notable departure) The organic guitar signal itself of todays amps often feels & sounds distant & not as harmonically rich, almost sometimes brittle. Add gain & it worsens creating what I call the buzzing bee affect. I'm sure there are a multitude of factors that contribute to this perceived affect but does todays young player even know what they are missing? And frankly, would the older vintage amps even sound 'better' & be desirable being that lots of todays guitar music sounds nothing like the guitar tones I was raised on?? That is a deep subject once that concept hits ya huh?

    What if the music we grew up listening to sounded different? Would we be trying to capture & reproduce that tone instead of the tone we love & seek now? :hmm: Or is a good sounding guitar amp always a good sounding guitar amp? I reckon that is a very subjective thing each of us gets to figure out and answer ourselves.

    But in the mean time, enjoy what we got while we are here. I'm a firm believer in making the best of everyday & I'm gonna go do some of that right now.

    Be well Voxman. Take er easy, heal up & get back out there doing your thing. In the meantime, welcome back. Its certainly nice to see you back on these pages.

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    Hey! It's in there!!
     
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    That is a recent pic just before that apparatus was removed and then back to the crutches!:( still can't put on my shoes or socks yet ... thou the foot long scar healed pretty well

    http://www.everythingsg.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9741&stc=1&d=1413655312
     

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    Jeeeeezzzzz! No more jumping off your cabinets............
     
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    That's the exact same type brace they
    gave me after the ACL replacement.

    So, how did you do it?
    Was it something stupid?
    C'mon, 'fess up.
     
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    Gee, I hope it wasn't that time you took that pic of you with all your amps all over you.:fingersx:
     
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