Twang Like a Tele?

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  1. Preactor

    Preactor New Member

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    I have an Epiphone SG Special that I really love to play country music on. It has a little twang but I want it to be super twangy. I have a Humbucker from Hell in Neck and the stock pickup in the bridge. Any suggestions to make it twangier?
     
  2. Layne Matz

    Layne Matz Active Member

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    P90?

    I wonder if you could fit a tele pup in the bridge position. You could put tele pups in an SG just to see what happens. I bet it could work. There would be some gaps but you could build covers to house them better. I think that would be really cool.
     
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    smitty_p Well-Known Member

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    You won’t get identical twang from a humbucker to what you would get from a Tele single coil.

    But, you can try lowering the pickups to try to thin out the sound a little. That may get you a little closer to the territory you’re looking for.
     
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    My suggestion would be to play your SG the way it is, and keep
    that sound in your music.

    If you want the sound of a Telecaster, you should get a Telecaster.
    You can buy a used Squier Telecaster for less money than you'd pay for new pickups or luthier work, and then you'd still have the great sound of your SG.

    If you try to make an SG sound like a telecaster, you'll end up with
    a thin sounding SG. Telecasters don't really sound thin or twangy,
    they are very versatile and can be used to play any kind of music,
    just like your SG can.

    But the telecaster sound is unique, and an SG will never sound like
    that. An SG will never sound like a Strat either. That's the beauty of
    the SG. It's got it's own unique voice, as it should.

    I have a MIM Telecaster Deluxe replica... it's wired exactly like a Les Paul
    and is equipped with two Fender humbuckers. It doesn't sound anything
    like a Les Paul, and it doesn't sound like a traditional Tele either.
    It's got a lot of Fender brightness for sure, but it's also got a great
    growl and excellent mids. Its tone is unique.
    But I love this guitar because when I play it, it sounds like me.
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    I think you should honor your SG for the great sound that it has
    and play it on the songs it's appropriate for. That's what I recommend
    anyway.

    I also recommend plugging your SG into
    an EQ pedal, and then you can adjust the tone with nearly complete control. Get a used one... And that too, is easier and cheaper than replacement parts or other messing
    around, and it doesn't damage your SG.
     
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    I still think an SG with Tele pups would be tonally intriguing.
     
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    There are some easy, and some more challenging electronics mods you can do to create a passive bass cut. The easiest way is to put a capacitor directly inline after the neck pickup. This works as a permanently engaged high-pass filter (which means the inability to switch on and off could be considered a disadvantage).

    Here's an article literally titled Teach Your Neck Pickup to Twang.
    blackstoneappliances.com/BassKnob/

    It's the same as the ancient Seymour Duncan page on "how to fix a muddy neck pickup," but in greater detail.

    If you're up for more of a challenge and you're decent with a soldering iron, you can wire the cap to your tone pot so it rolls off bass instead of treble. Or, if you're feeling crazy, a Fender TBX control would be great. It's a dual-ganged tone pot—turn one way to roll of treble like normal, turn the other way to cut bass, center detent for no-load ("10").

    Of course, if the neck pickup in question isn't already wired for coil splitting on a push-pull pot, you can do that, too, as long as the pickup has a 4-conductor lead—and that can be used in conjunction with a passive bass cut, too.
     
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    The old Epiphone sounds almost country enough. I don't think a $80 guitar would be worth putting anything else into it. The idea of the capacitor rolling off bass sounds like a good experiment to try.
     
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    Im tellin ya man... It would be pretty cool to TRY putting some tele pups in an SG. It would be real unique.

    These covers allow you to screw the single coils into the same pockets hbuckers would. I imagine the neck pup may be a bit difficult.
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    The capacitor idea is way more practical and intruiging.
     
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    I wonder if the metal around the bridge pickup could be compensated by metal pickup rings?
     
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    I find my Special with mini's occasionally sounds tele-ish. I can even get some quack in the middle position. Maybe consider some mini's or P94's?
     
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    I'm not really trying to alter my guitar. I'm just trying to use in in a way that is different...country music.
     
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    Now you sound sensible. Country music does not need to be played on guitars with
    limited tone. Country music needs to be played well. That's about it. If you play well,
    no one will second guess your tone or your guitar. If you don't play well, no one
    will give two hoots whether your tone is twangy or not. No one will listen.

    An SG is a very versatile instrument, and can play jazz, rock, country, blues, soul,
    and other genres, according to the skill of the operator, not the properties of the pickups.
    I don't know if the hum bucker from hell gives an appropriate sound for country music,
    because it might be a high gain pickup that's more correct for metal... the name sounds
    like it. It might be a great pairing with the neck pickup.

    Country musicians I know usually play mostly clean, which a stock SG can do very well.
    So can a stock Tele or Les Paul. Country musicians I know often play their music on
    acoustic guitars, with a lead player on an electric.
    Country musicians I know often leave
    the twangy parts for the pedal steel player, who does it perfectly. I also know some guys
    who can make a Telecaster sound like a pedal steel, and they get work because of this
    skill. I don't think anyone can do that on an Epiphone SG... unless there's a pedal for it
    that I don't know about. Which could happen.

    Anyway, used Telecasters are plentiful, and you can find one cheap, and if you're good with
    a soldering iron you could spend your efforts upgrading a cheap used Telecaster into an
    excellent and practical instrument. Install good wiring, upgraded pickups, decent hardware
    get the neck straight and the Tele set up properly and set it side by side with your hum bucker
    SG. You'll have a lot of tonal ground covered, two very versatile instruments.
    Ain't nothin like the real thing, baby...

    That's what I recommend. Then all you need is an A-B switch and a few pedals:
    Tuner=>EQ=>Reverb=>Overdrive=>Chorus=>MXR Dynacomp=>Amp
     
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    Put togther some wonderful Tele and some magic pedal steel and you get this:

     
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    ya, you betcha... give that fellow an Epiphone SG and he could do the
    same thing. He'd have a bit different tone, but sound just like himself.
    He might grouse a bit about the setup if it warn't just what he's used to,
    but it wouldn't slow him down much.

    That caliber of guitar player would sound like himself on any guitar, IMHO.
    It ain't about the hardware. It's about how much talent you have, and how
    hard you work to perfect it.

     
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    The Dimarzio Humbucker from Hell is a very clean pickup and not what the name appears to be. Through practicing and playing, I am getting close to the tone I want to hear in the SG....It's fun just experimenting with the versatility of an Epiphone Special SG. I am also interested in what works from someone else. BTW...I have an old 1990's Peavey Reactor (Tele Copy) that nails the country stuff.


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    Dang that Highway 40 has some serious talent going on there!

    Thanks for sharing, I sure enjoyed that
     
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