Where are we heading ? (rant)

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  1. donepearce

    donepearce Well-Known Member

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    Nope. I have written code that generates further code, but that extra code is still a direct result of the code I have written, and if I could be bothered I would be able to follow the algorithms through precisely. Decisions require an understanding of not only the parameters, but why the decisions should be made in the first place. A piece of code my decide between to options, but the questions is how did it decide to make the choice. Nobody has yet produced a machine or programme that comes even close to that.
     
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    Right, I guess this works if you limit the argument to code you've written. I wasn't considering such a limitation.

    Are you serious? People make endless decisions without understanding all the parameters, why the decision is being made, or, for that matter, the consequences. But they're still decisions. A decision merely requires some consideration to have been made between alternatives. I've already given an example where a situation can arise when a machine has made a decision, and no one had set the parameters by which that decision was made - nor would they have done.
     
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    I've never seen such a decision, and I don't accept that any machine has ever reached a decision. Machines to date only enact decisions made by humans. And of course it doesn't matter whether I wrote the code or someone else did. Everything the machine does relies 100% on that code.

    I'm not saying that machines will never reach a point of sophistication where they make decisions, but in order to do that they will need some internally generated motivation. That is entirely absent right now.
     
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    Look, what this boils down to is that we are never going to agree on a definition of intelligence, so we may as well just let this drop.
     
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    HURRAH ! :rofl:
     
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    donepearce Well-Known Member

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    Oi! You are supposed to say stuff like "no, please carry on, this is really interesting".
     
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    Reverse psychlology inverted.
     
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    Damn
     
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    I was coming to the same conclusion - but regarding the definition of 'decision' rather than 'intelligence'. I'm certainly aware of machine decisions that are not the direct result of a prior human decision.

    Either way, it's not something we're likely to resolve in the slow back and forth of posts on a guitar forum :)

    I'm happy to agree to differ...
     
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    I'm slightly on both sides of the fence on this. I don't believe in whining about small issues, nor posting my laments about personal flaws in my furniture as if its the gospel of the quality assurance for any particular product. I used to have several Epiphones, one i still have and never understood the issues raised by guitar consumers on the quality or the lambasting name calling like "Chinese junk". I played the crap out of my Epi's, no complaints. Sure some were better than others but the things I cared most about was the comfort and tones. Three of my Gibsons are friggin perfect, two of them i bought new the other i bought used in excellent condition. Now I'm a very careful person with handling stuff but honestly its a friggin guitar. I bought them to play the crap out of, find my sound, record music to, jam out with buddies, not hang up in a trophy room unplayed only touched with cotton gloved hands. Hell i scuffed the Vol/Tone area on both SG's trying to install the pointer guages that no longer come standard on them cuz I like to know my exact settings for recording but it made me love em more. One of my Gib's has a missing spot of gloss or maybe it was slightly scraped and looks matted...pfft I consider that a birthmark. I understand having expectations on higher priced gear but making vids, announcing theres major QA problems to everyone is bs... I've not witness one damn problem with any guitar i have ever owned, if i did even i wouldn't cry about it to the world.
     
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    I am still pushing code and still getting paid for it ( not bad gig no complaints ).

    To me there are plenty of computers making decisions. Self driving autos an easy first example.

    Not a huge fan of the Turing machine test but likely a lot of things these days could stump me for a while.

    Peace out! I gotta return an amp on amazon theres a tiny finish problem thats like .007 cm long.
     
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