Why is the first fret (mostly) never marked?

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  1. Sp8ctre

    Sp8ctre Well-Known Member

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    Everybody can count to one...
     
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    Looks pretty good!
     
  3. Norlin SG

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    Just learning a little of the the theory stuff myself so heres my thoughts.

    In regards to your statement, that's why I think most every guitar that's ever been made has side dot markers in those location within the players view on the side of the neck except that Gibson thought it was a good idea, for some strange reason to indicate the first 2nd interval (1rst fret) on my SG but not the 2nd interval of the octave (13th fret).

    Markers of the face of the neck? mostly just for show. My Yairi has the side dots you indicated and the only inlay on the neck face is at the octave.
     
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    Absolutely, but they are helpful when I'm stealing someone's licks off of a video.:rofl:
    BTW-Most banjos have a marker on the tenth fret, not the ninth.
     
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    Norlin SG Well-Known Member

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    Yea the aesthedics do seem to coincide with theory and does help in knowing what someone else is doing musically.

    Notice I said guitar and not all stringed instruments. :bowdown: I know zero about banjos so what interval is the 10th fret on one? Does the 3rd interval between the G and the B on a guitar have something to do with the logic of a banjo's fretboard layout? Just a WAG here............
     
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    I haven't a clue, but if I think up a good explanation I'll let you know. Right now I'm clearing my mind and changing my strings.
     
  7. Ceeps

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    Found the following explanation elsewhere on the web. I like it. Not being that learned in music theory, I don’t know if I really understand it. But I like it.
    “Maybe lost to history, the dots are references for the Fibonacci series, which when harmonics are considered, give a pure major chord with octave and perfect fifth redundancies. The dot at the 9th fret marks 2/5ths of the string length. The harmonic there is of the 5th partial (the major third) -- this is the one that throws you off.

    This is my observation, and it is so easy once seen, that I have little doubt that many people have stumbled across it. Nonetheless, Gibson and Martin guitars had nothing to say about it, and so far as I could see, nothing to see in google searches. THE DOTS MARK THE HARMONICS COMPRISING A PURE MAJOR CHORD.

    Are the dots an atavism from pre-equal tempered tuning? In historical paintings of fretted instruments, or in museums, when are the earliest dots seen in their modern location??

    string
    open = 1 = do
    dots
    12 = 2nd partial = do (octave over root)
    7 = 3rd partial = sol (perfect 5th + octave over root)
    5 = 4th partial = do (double octave over root)
    9 = 5th partial = mi (double octave + major third over root)
    3 = 6th partial = sol (double octave + perfect 5th over root)”
     
  8. Norlin SG

    Norlin SG Well-Known Member

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    Now I'm really confused.:wow:

    Something I did is find that the Ukulele and the Banjo both have a 10th fret marker instead of a 9th fret marker and are tuned in something called "reentrant tuning". What that has to do with having a 10th fret marker, I still have no clue.
     
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    Well ****, I didn't notice until you said something...

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  10. Plan Zero

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    Ska much?
     
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    Yes... that's a great design motif, so I retract my prejudice against
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    Actually I was inspired by Nikki Sixx's blackbird bass not the red baron, though i did build a Fokker tri plane model as a kid. Idk why we never see black inlays on a dark fretboard.
     
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    My ESP Alexi blacky has an ebony fingerboard with black pearl fingerboard binding and inlays.
    Hard to play when you’re not used to it.
     

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