2004 SG Standard. Does this look off?

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  1. devnulljp

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    Contemplating buying an SG Standard. Found one that looks to be 2004 from the Serial #
    But does this inlay look off to you? I've only ever had 60s Gibsons and one from the 80s, and this looks sloppy to me. The rest of the guitar looks good, Serial # checks out.

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    Found another from 2013. Main difference seems to be the small pickguard on the 2013, large on the 2004
    What pickups should be in a 2004 or 2013 Standard: 590R/590T490R/490T or 490R/498T or something else? One seller claims Burst Buckers but I thought they were only in the 61 RI.
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    No such thing as 590R / 590T.
    490R / 490T are used in the SG Specials.
    490R / 498T are used in the SG Standards.

    I've seen some logo inlays that were thick.

    How do you mean the serial number checks out?
    Correct format is not the only thing to look at.
    Look at the font.
    With the fakes they always mess it up.

    How does the control cavity look?
    Is it the correct shape for a 2004?
    Is there a 5/16 acorn hex nut under the truss rod cover?
    What color is the binding?
    Standards from that era have pinkish cream color binding.
     
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    Sorry, typo'ed the pickups. So Should be 490R / 498T?
    S# is right format, corresponds to 2004, and font looks good. I know could be faked, but ...
    What should I look for re the shape for 2004? Is that symmetrical vs. asymmetrical horns and the bevel around the edge?
    What should I be looking for in the control cavity?
    Binding is cream-ish, and there are nibs on the fret ends - never seen that in a Chibson.

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    Thanks for all the info :cheers:
     
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  4. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    That neck binding with nibs looks legit.
    Binding color is correct, did not fade.
    That's how they look on the Standards from that era.
    They are that same pink color on the new ones.
    2017 and 2018 they went back to white.
    Then went back to pink in 2019.

    Binding on 2004 SG Classic.

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    Binding on 2006 SG Classic.

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    Control cavity shape for a 2004 will be the large one, late 60's style.
    Pictured below is my 2004 SG Special, refinished.

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  5. devnulljp

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    Control cavity shape checks out. does that headstock inlay look suspicious though? Looks poorly done.

    Is there anything significant to choose between a 2004 and a 2013? They're essentially same asking price. 2013 has Gibson case, 2004 has generic.
    They're pretty much the same guitar except for the pickguard, right?
    The inlay on the 2013 is much cleaner.
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    2004 will have a chunky rounded neck profile.
    2013 will have a 60's Slim Taper neck profile.

    I've never seen a recent SG Standard with small guard, trapezoid inlays having a chunky rounded neck.
    SG with batwings usually have chunky rounded neck.
    All my 2004 models have the thicker neck.

    Neck profiles will vary slightly within same year.
    No two are identical.
    Something to keep in mind.
    For me, the feel of the neck is always deciding factor.
     
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    Ah, the 2004 it is then!
    Any concerns about that headstock inlay? Looks like it was done with a rusty razor blade...
    Esp. compared to the 2013
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    Maybe 2004 was a bad year for inlays on the headstock logos.
    Something in the process of how they are installed must have changed.
    Never paid much attention to it.

    Left: 2004 SG Classic
    Right: 2006 SG Classic

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    I bought a 2004 SG Standard about 10 years ago in 'like new' condition. It ended up being a guitar I personally never should have bought.
    I never was 100% happy with the stock pickups & went through a shitload of pups before finally falling for a vintage pair of 60's era T-Tops. But that's me & my personal preference for tone.

    I always found the neck to be too sensitive to various pressure from my hand & the guitar to be easily bent out of tune. I could literally strum the open strings, wiggle the guitar back & forth by the horns & hear the strings slap off the frets!. But that's just me & my personal preference for a stable neck.

    Maybe worse of all was me not understanding or even considering what nibs really are. The 2004 Standard has exceptionally wide binding & all metal fretwork stops at that binding. Once the fret plane hits the binding it is all unusable unplayable plastic.
    I ran into issues due to playing wear of the binding essentially being worn away from the actual metal frets which in turn created a gap between the fret ends & plastic nibs. That ended up not only making noise when the high E string crossed over the said subsequent gap but, it also eventually worsened to the point of grabbing the E string! And that,.. rendered my 2004 Standard UNFVKING PLAYABLE! Both in a professional sense & in a desirable sense. Who would want to play a guitar that does that crap?
    But that's my personal preference for wanting a usable metal fret & not a useless plastic NIB.

    So, you are now officially better informed than I was when I bought my 2004 SG. The rest is up to you my friend. If you plan on putting in the practice hours or playing the Shinola outta this guitar, using vibrato & upper E pull-offs that will cross over or reach the NIBS, then do yourself a favor & look elsewhere for a guitar to met your expectations & needs.

    On the other hand if you're not really serious about guitar playing, simply a collector or maybe just a dreamer, starry eyed wanna be, musical procrastinator or straight up pretentious phony.. then these guitars can be had for a nice price. They look real purdy & got that fancy Gibson logo on the headstock you can use to impress all the right people who don't know any better.

    Hell, I was impressed before I knew any better. At least you are officially more informed than I was & you won't have any disappointing surprises.

    Best Wishes finding that right guitar brother. That ultimately is what's most important.
     
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    I've played lots of older Gibsons with nibs, so no worries
     
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    How old? By 2004 the Nib a not only very high, they are also exceptionally wide, unlike older Gibsons which I have no issues with playing as their Nibs are negligible.
    You know your playing, you've been informed. The rest is on you.
    I just wish I had somebody point out the big Nib thing before I bought my 2004. I do get crazy sometimes & I also use wide vibrato & pull offs ala AC/DC when the mood calls for it. If you don't do these things it simply isn't going to matter.

    Nothing worse than a guitar that can't do what you need & want it to. Heck, I'll sell you my 2004 Standard now that I'm thinking about it! I haven used that useless piece of dog $#it in years! lol I'll even put them crappy stock pickups back in there for ya!
    I just felt that if the guitar isn't good enough for me who the heck would want it ya know? Shee-it have I got a bargain for you!
     
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    Word from Gibson Customer Service: "This looks to be the outline for the headstock inlay where finish has sunk in around the inlay over time. It is only cosmetic and nothing to worry about. The factory pickups were the Gibson 490R/498T set. Thanks!"
    Looks like this one has been upgraded to Burst Buckers 1&2, so I pulled the trigger.
    Thanks all.
     
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    I wouldn't worry about the nibs.
    Never had a problem with them on my 2004 and 2006 SG Classics. Bends and vibrato always away from edge of fingerboard on high E string.
     
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    Pulloffs never are. They need a movement towards the edge. If you never do them, fine. But don't use that as the basis of advice to someone else. Poor design is poor design.
     
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    Guys, I've been playing a long time. I think I'll live.
    Let's not get acrimonious.
    Appreciate all the advice.
     
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    Making waffles for my kid for late Sunday breakfast!
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    Guitar looks fine

    the “issues” noticed around inlay are simply the finish cracking at edges of the inlays. Not uncommon
     

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