Discussion in 'Vintage SG' started by Bocatrip, Oct 17, 2019.
Pelham blue SGs are just hot.
Yes, that other sale mentioned at 25K in 2016 did not look nearly as clean those 2 Pelham Blue examples from Norman's. Of course we are looking at a video and not close up. i'd still be more than curious to know when the Norman's Video was posted and of course the prices!
The one from the link is the second SG in Norms video. He mentions buying it from Mark at Norms
Great investigating Herbie74w. Thanks. That was quite helpful.
Your right the videos make the guitars seem a little cleaner than the pictures.
I think it was about three years ago :)
Does anyone know why the pictures that had survived the original thread from photobucket and were transfered to this thread are now blurry? Is there something I'm supposed to do with photobucket?
They started demanding a subscription fee for their photos and screwed up the links to surely hundreds of thousands of images across the web to extort it out of people. You can re-upload them on this website's media section for free.
Thank you That site is now dead to me. Now I just have to find out how to retrieve the photos from Photobucket and then upload them on this site. Thanks again for your help.
What list are you referring to? Do you mean the Gibson Ledger? Published lists indicate that your guitar number 552583 falls between 550000 to 556909, a 1966.
In the 2020 vintage guitar price guide a 1964 Pelham blue sg has a high price of 17,600 and a low of 13,300. That's the most desirable one because of the wide neck width, nickel hardware and patent number pickups. A 1965 Pelham blue sg has a high price of 16,300 and a low of 12,000. That's with the chrome hardware, T Top pickups and smaller nut width. Norman sold the two he had in 2016 for 17k and 14k. Someone may have been asking 25k for one but highly doubtful that was the final deal. Normans had one of those in 2016 listed at 27,500 on reverb.com but got 17k and change.
One of the buyers in the thread posted earlier bought one of Norm’s guitars and indicates he paid 25k. Of course the market goes up and down so it’s possible the value has gone down. How do you know what price the guitars where sold for?
The 1965s at Norm’s had had patent number pickups and the transitional 1 5/8 nut width. If I recall correctly.
Because I asked Mark, Normans employee at the time how much they went for In Dec 2016 when I was visiting California.
I know. The patent number pickups starting in 1965 started have a T molded in the top of the bobbins. Collectors don't find those appealing. Or not as much as a PAF that is. The patent number sticker started in 1963. Technically the PAF humbucker changed in 1961. Gibson shortened the magnets. So the patent number ones from 1963 to early 1965 are the same as a PAF from mid 1961 give or take. The long magnet PAF from 1957 to 1961 are the most popular. That's why a 1961 sg les paul is valued around the same as a Pelham blue sg.
What are you doing with this guitar?
There was overlap in patent number and t tops in 1965. Given that they have the 1 5/8 nut width they would be earlier in the year. There are no hard and fast rules with Gibson from this period. I’m not sure why Norms would price a guitar at 27k and discount it 10k in nine hours as Mark said the first one sold in 9 hours in the second video. In the linked thread the buyer of the second guitar said he paid approx 25k. Of course the market will be determine by what someone is willing to pay.
I wondered it. I asked Mark in person and he said 17k for the one and 14k for the other. The last 1967 Pelham blue sg standard sold on reverb for 10,500 in 2017.
10.5k for large guard, t top pickups with 1 9/16 nut width seems to make sense. I will say the rarity of something makes it much harder to determine value. I have heard numbers as low as mid teens for Pelham blue Sg standards From 64 through 65 with most being factory seconds. If you sell one you may never see another
this is cool and has some insight into rarity.
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