'67-'70 SG pickup routing...

[Amptech]

yes, triple route, and non t-top patent number pickups, I'm assuming the pickups are the same vintage as the pots.. I have the covers for the pickups too..:)

 

[patsanger]

I saw the covers in the case. Nice

 

[Amptech]

I bought it about 5 or 6 years ago, I wonder what the real value of it is today? I would never sell it, just wondering..

 

[patsanger]

Gbase has 2 - very good condition at $3,500 and excellent at $6,500.

 

[Amptech]

Well that's quite a range, doesn't matter I'll never sell it. I just wondered.. Should I post pics of my other SG's, and if so... where?

 

[patsanger]

Just start a new thread for your family...

 

[Mike Leaf]

Mike, Just for fun, let's go to the body check - technically the 0000xx numbers were used again in '73. So let's remove any doubt (not that there is much). :)
Does yours have a batwing pickguard? (they were discontinued in '72)
Does the neck join meet at 17th or 19th fret. 19th fret ended in '71.

These two things alone should reinforce your serial and pot codes. :)

Which of my guitars are You talking about?

I have no doubt when they were made, and i dont see a problem identifying guitars from this period

 

[patsanger]

Mike - thought you were just continuing the discussion about the guitar with mixed dates, so I walked through a typical test to confirm what you knew...

No harm no foul.

 

[Kris Ford]

Now - if we go with my 1972 SG standard, this was re-introduced late in the year, the serial number is in the '72 range and the pots say '72 but the kicker is the embossed Gibson pickups. They were only for '72. That's it. Also it has the small rectangle inlays from that year. And the other oddity is that the embossed are tarbacks, which is even rarer as tarbacks showed up that year. So while the '72 standard was introduced late in '72 I am betting this was a very late, end of year one. Oh and it has the optional Gibson bigsby, which was extra money that year. So late '72.

Does it look like this?

(Image courtesy of eBay..)
Gibson marked pickups.. (Which I've seen on MANY SG Deluxes)

A true '72 SG Standard. The missing link between the SG Deluxe and the '73 "redesigned" Standard style..it has a mix of features, but mainly SG Deluxe appointments, as in the raised Les Paul style pickguard, lack of bevels in the cutaways, same "90 degree angle" neck joint but conventionally routed in the rear for the electronics..
These are very rare to come across..I've only seen 3 or 4 in my life! And I've done a LOT of research...
Would you mind sharing pics and the pot codes? I'd love to add this to my timeline of early '70's SGs.

 

[Relic61]

Does it look like this?

(Image courtesy of eBay..)
Gibson marked pickups.. (Which I've seen on MANY SG Deluxes)

A true '72 SG Standard. The missing link between the SG Deluxe and the '73 "redesigned" Standard style..it has a mix of features, but mainly SG Deluxe appointments, as in the raised Les Paul style pickguard, lack of bevels in the cutaways, same "90 degree angle" neck joint but conventionally routed in the rear for the electronics..
These are very rare to come across..I've only seen 3 or 4 in my life! And I've done a LOT of research...
Would you mind sharing pics and the pot codes? I'd love to add this to my timeline of early '70's SGs.

Kris, chances are it is his avatar guitar.

I see the harmonica bridge on that one.

So Kris does your 72 have the Tar-Backs or the Patent Sticker pups? Wouldn't it be something to correlate the Tar-Backs arrival with the wider Schaller bridge.?! I have seen guitars dated after 72 with the smaller Nashville bridges too I mean leave it to Gibson to go back n forth as they find parts or whatever. And there is always the wrong dating possibilty we've been talking about everytime an owner throws a date out there because of these damn serial numbers. The Book! We need that Book Kris!

Hey, have you guys ever tried pricing original Gibson Embossed pup covers from this Era? Or even steeper, Embossed Patent Sticker pups?!? Yowsers! But then again every once in a while you see tar-back pups go for some coin too. I don't even want to look on ebay right now because I damn well know what happens when I do!!! Oh yeah, I get it bad! Real bad!

 

[Kris Ford]

Kris, chances are it is his avatar guitar.

I see the harmonica bridge on that one.

So Kris does your 72 have the Tar-Backs or the Patent Sticker pups? Wouldn't it be something to correlate the Tar-Backs arrival with the wider Schaller bridge.?! I have seen guitars dated after 72 with the smaller Nashville bridges too I mean leave it to Gibson to go back n forth as they find parts or whatever. And there is always the wrong dating possibilty we've been talking about everytime an owner throws a date out there because of these damn serial numbers. The Book! We need that Book Kris!

Hey, have you guys ever tried pricing original Gibson Embossed pup covers from this Era? Or even steeper, Embossed Patent Sticker pups?!? Yowsers! But then again every once in a while you see tar-back pups go for some coin too. I don't even want to look on ebay right now because I damn well know what happens when I do!!! Oh yeah, I get it bad! Real bad!

Damn..I didn't look at the avatar pic, I did that post on my phone..had to blow it up and I can only see the names and text that way..but that is even more interesting!! Assuming the speed knobs are original, and the fact that it has the harmonica bridge, leads me to believe that Pat's '72 Standard is a very late one...and this variation is yet another important piece of the puzzle..the '72 Standard I posted (not mine..I just used it as an example..) seems to be the first variant..then Pat's seems later..gotta wonder if there is yet another variant before the '73 style..So what I have in the timeline is: Mike's '71 Standard, your Deluxe, my example '72 Standard, then Pat's '72 Standard...then the '73 style..
The only '71 I ever owned was a walnut Standard, then I've had a '72 Professional, with Gibson embossed P90s, and 2 SGIs..kinda diggin that '72 Standard look, as I have a thing for the oddball early Norlins..
EDIT: I saw Pat's pics..F'n sweet BTW!

 

[Kris Ford]

Anyway, thats all I got on this era SG without going crazy looking things up further. I don't think they were making any mini humbucker models but the Juniors & the Specials of this era came with soapbar P-90's mounted in a batwing pickgard and I am led to believe that even these were routed the same as all the SG bodies ran through the same process of routing ending with them all looking like your pickup cavity route. Look at it from Gibson's perspective. This really simplified routing the bodies for them.
Here's a 69 Junior. Still got the batwing with 3 less holes. No toggle & missing 1 vol & tone. Is the pup route the same? I think so but I have never opened one personally.

If anyone knows different we will be sure to see it. Safe enough to say, relax, that route job was 'standard' for the time period.

You rang? LOL I had an EARLY '69 (all '68 specs) SG Junior..

Yes, '68 specs..check out those deeper cutaway bevels..It had a '69 SN#(535199)

But all '68 features..check out the neck joint...
The bitch about this one is that the pot codes were useless..one was a '66, and the other was from the '80's..

It was definitely only routed for one P-90..

 

[Relic61]

You rang? LOL I had an EARLY '69 (all '68 specs) SG Junior..

Yes, '68 specs..check out those deeper cutaway bevels..It had a '69 SN#(535199)

But all '68 features..check out the neck joint...
The bitch about this one is that the pot codes were useless..one was a '66, and the other was from the '80's..

It was definitely only routed for one P-90..

Well that certainly puts an end to the possibility of all SG's between 67-70 with Large pickguards being routed all the same with 3 pup routes. Yet being it was a 1 pup route it still lets me wonder about a 2 pup version havine that 3 pup route. Although at this point I'm doubting that possibility. But none the less they needlessly routed all the SG Standards for three pups so who T-F knows! Any ideas why? Was this a time saver??? Inventory simplifier? I can see the one size fits all mentality being hard to resist. But this SG clearly proves this wasn't the case! Thanks Kris! One more SG question settled.

 

[PermissionToLand]

Well that certainly puts an end to the possibility of all SG's between 67-70 with Large pickguards being routed all the same with 3 pup routes. Yet being it was a 1 pup route it still lets me wonder about a 2 pup version havine that 3 pup route. Although at this point I'm doubting that possibility. But none the less they needlessly routed all the SG Standards for three pups so who T-F knows! Any ideas why? Was this a time saver??? Inventory simplifier? I can see the one size fits all mentality being hard to resist. But this SG clearly proves this wasn't the case! Thanks Kris! One more SG question settled.

Sorry for resurrecting this old thread (although it's a great one!), but I just saw a Batwing Special that was routed for two pickups. The reason why is because P90s are wider than humbuckers. They wouldn't fit in the Standard route.

 

[cerebral gasket]

My 1970 SG Junior pictured below was routed for one P-90.