67 SG JR. Is it worth it?

[kevbo82]

I'm not disputing there are differences, I'm just saying that it's down to what you want as a player, irrespective of price/year/alterations/overall condition. Determining value by age is a crap solution. As I have said in other threads, I own (or have owned) several vintage guitars, including a '69 SG Special, and I take each guitar on its own merits and accept it for what it is. If you can't accept that as a fact, and you're still looking for the "perfect" vintage guitar, give up now and just buy a new one because it ain't out there!

it's true. I had a PRS mccarty that was my main gigging guitar, and bought a $200 epiphone sg/les paul custom reissue as a backup, because i liked the thing so much. Took it home, set it up, played them side by side and soon sold the PRS and upgraded the electronics in the epi. Some guitars just have "it" now for whatever reason, vintage gibson's often have "it" for me. Maybe some of it's in my head, but who cares if I like it right? Modern gibson's are hit and miss for me. I had to play about 10 sg standards before i found the one for me (wish i had that one back) you could've convinced me that guitar was some special made or vintage guitar based on how it played compared to the others. Used it on this recording, was told in the studio to play "a little melody over the end and let a note ring out at the end" last note starts at 3:05 and sustains all the way till the end of the song, and i swear it could've held that note all day. Nothing but guitar and amp, ebow territory on that one. Andy Browne Songs | ReverbNation

 

[Kris Ford]

I'm not disputing there are differences, I'm just saying that it's down to what you want as a player, irrespective of price/year/alterations/overall condition. Determining value by age is a crap solution. As I have said in other threads, I own (or have owned) several vintage guitars, including a '69 SG Special, and I take each guitar on its own merits and accept it for what it is. If you can't accept that as a fact, and you're still looking for the "perfect" vintage guitar, give up now and just buy a new one because it ain't out there!

I agree..I surely don't think that way at all. A discussion forum is the one place where someone should be able to call a spade a spade..That's why I prefer "issues" guitars and oddballs..I only bring value up if someone is trying to pass a less valuable guitar as a more valuable guitar, and hate seeing folks get F**K'ed over...

 

[javamagic]

The '69 Special (I had, now sold ) had the narrow nut which so many consider a deal breaker and a really chunky neck too. It also had three screw holes where the Vibrola had been removed. The combination of these would have been enough to deter most "newer" guitar players (used to slim, CNC necks, etc) but, as I said, I could take it "as is" which was: A great playing and sounding guitar, and probably the only one which really did the Pete Townshend sound. :)

 

[Kris Ford]

The '69 Special (I had, now sold ) had the narrow nut which so many consider a deal breaker and a really chunky neck too. It also had three screw holes where the Vibrola had been removed. The combination of these would have been enough to deter most "newer" guitar players (used to slim, CNC necks, etc) but, as I said, I could take it "as is" which was: A great playing and sounding guitar, and probably the only one which really did the Pete Townshend sound. :)

Dig..my '65 is hardly stock and these mods are probably the only reason I was able to acquire it at a realistic price..also, best sounding Gibson with best neck shape and playability I've ever owned..I wouldn't dare change a thing..it had a Leo Quan Badass bridge and only the trem spring, a DiMarzio Super Distortion, Grovers, you know, the typical '70's mods LOL..all I did with some vigilant and thrifty Ebaying was make it more "Gibson-y"

 

[kevbo82]

Dig..my '65 is hardly stock and these mods are probably the only reason I was able to acquire it at a realistic price..also, best sounding Gibson with best neck shape and playability I've ever owned..I wouldn't dare change a thing..it had a Leo Quan Badass bridge and only the trem spring, a DiMarzio Super Distortion, Grovers, you know, the typical '70's mods LOL..all I did with some vigilant and thrifty Ebaying was make it more "Gibson-y"

now how wide is the nut on your 65 lol

 

[Kris Ford]

now how wide is the nut on your 65 lol

Have never measured, but 100% sure its the 1 11/16 wide one..this is a very early '65, 274XXX sn#, pot codes are 4th week of '65..totally '64 specs still..

 

[kevbo82]

I'm keeping confident the white one is 1 11/16

Actually getting use to the slim nut playing the red one. Sure sounds better than it feels, grabbed a clip with my ipad. Having tuning issues with the G string though...
https://soundcloud.com/kevbo82/sg

 

[Kris Ford]

I'm keeping confident the white one is 1 11/16

Actually getting use to the slim nut playing the red one. Sure sounds better than it feels, grabbed a clip with my ipad. Having tuning issues with the G string though...
https://soundcloud.com/kevbo82/sg

You have to use a wound G..that's what the bridge is compensated for...you'll never be able to intonate with a plain G..

 

[javamagic]

Never worried me.

 

[kevbo82]

You have to use a wound G..that's what the bridge is compensated for...you'll never be able to intonate with a plain G..

I think it had a wound G on it when it arrived, but they were the typical oxidized been sitting in a chain guitar store funk. Have to grab a set and try, cause thats exactly my problem, everything else is good but the intonation is off on the G.

 

[kevbo82]

oh boy...
The white one arrived today. 515xxx serial number, volume pot looks like 67 though, so thinking it's a 68 (what is it with me and these guitars!?) you can clearly see the 4 holes that were filled along the top of where the batwing guard would've been. Also not original pickup obviously, and it's a tad smaller than the route. skinny nut, but a way different feeling neck! it's much skinnier front to back, where the red one is like a girl with a skinny waste and nice big ass. Feels much lighter than the red one too. It's pretty beat up, neck joint looks cruddy, can't tell if it was reset or just all kinda paint/primer cracking around it. Nut fell off when I removed the strings,Gibson logo is a sticker that you can feel the edges of. For all it's problems I like the feel better than the red one, and whatever the pickup in it is sounds amazing (first thing i played through an amp was Bowie's rebel rebel and it was wonderful) can't see keeping it for the price I paid. Cool guitar though! Feel the universe may be against me having an SG JR right now...

 

[JohnnyGoo]

Awsome guitars kevbo82,im just totally enamered with JRs myself.i have a old 62 thats been modded to two humbuckers.it was done years ago so im leaving it as is.

 

[kevbo82]

Awsome guitars kevbo82,im just totally enamered with JRs myself.i have a old 62 thats been modded to two humbuckers.it was done years ago so im leaving it as is.

how do you like the classic compared to the old jr? Originally i was going to look for a classic cause i wasn't looking to spend too much, came across the red junior and couldn't pass the price up and now I'm slightly obsessed. The white one sounds SO good i'm almost afraid to not keep it.

 

[JohnnyGoo]

Well ill tell ya.i love them both but the old JR is almost dainty feeling compared to the classic.its heavier with a big ol fat neck which i love.neck angle on the 62/is almost nill compared to the Classic.but oddly enough both have a wide nut width.both are keepers.

 

[JohnnyGoo]

The 62 has a old vintage Dimarzio DP106 in the bridge that ive read is from custom shop at Dimarzio and discontinued years ago.neck pick up humbucker of unknown origin.im rockin a Leo Quan Badass bridge on the 62 but i do got a new redisgned Gibson lightning bar.its designed for a unwou d g string.and the 2006 Classic has Gibson P90s.all needs be said about those.they scream.