97 Sg special worn or scam?

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  1. chilipeppermaniac

    chilipeppermaniac Well-Known Member

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    What does anyone else think or see about the SG that Koison is asking about by what you see in his pictures?
     
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    CG, my other red flag was serial number related too. Why I posted the dater info showing it made in Bozeman. Unless I am totally in error only guitars like acoustics are made there. Do you concur?
     
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    I don’t use the serial dater website.

    I’m old school and just read it using the YDDDYRRR format if it has at least 8 digits. 1st and 5th digit indicate year.

    If 9 digits and second digit is “4” or greater, then I know it is 2014 or newer and 1st two digits indicate year.

    Anything older than 1977 with less than 8 digits, you just look at the features to determine what era and pot codes to narrow it down if they are original.

    If font or spacing is incorrect, no further evaluation of other features required. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
     
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    Here is a 1997 J200 serial number. NO Made in USA, but Font looks better too. It is off a guitar I googled and the seller posted numerous pics for his ad during it's sale.

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    Don’t worry if truss rod cover plate is blank or not, Those can be easily changed. What’s more important is does it have a 5/16 acorn nut under said truss rod cover plate.

    The serial number font and spacing are an immediate red flag to me as well as the incorrect control cavity shape for that era model with batwing.

    1997 would have a gloss finish.
    Serial number font and spacing incorrect along with missing USA stamp was first red flag.
     
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    That is a great example of what the serial font and spacing should look like.

    I can see the Made in USA stamp. Look closely at the skunk stripe.
     
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    I see it now, yup CG
     
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    The control cover shape could be correct for a different year. And all the little details Chibsons get wrong are Gibson correct. I don't see a single red flag in the construction except for the serial weirdness.

    If it's not a Gibson, it might as well be -- everything was done the way Gibson does it.

    So, maybe a MIJ that's had its headstock painted? Or a luthier build? Or maybe an odd batch for South America that Gibson stamped differently?
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    Send the serial to Gibson and see what they say about it.

    The guitar dater site is notoriously, laughably inaccurate. I have no idea why it's a sticky thread at the top of this forum -- instead of recommending that site, it should be a warning not to trust it.
     
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    I agree the build looks genuine.
    Serial number looks suspect.
    SG Special Faded was not in production until 2002.
     
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    I think it looks legit but a look in the back and pick up cavities should provide more leads. Is there any chance that some enthusiast stripped the paint off?
     
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    It is possible, which it does dimishes the re-sell price... Imma pass on it, so i really thank you guys for your time and words! I really needed you experts.
    Imma get a brand new one, and let you know :)
    Thanks for everything!
     
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    I am glad to know we helped someone avoid a "rip off" While he may have received a good instrument, if he did not get a true Gibson but paid Gibson money, then he would have been deceived and defrauded. Glad you were able to ask us to help.
     
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    Perhaps. But I think it's far from certain that it's a fake.
     
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    True, Von Trapp, BUT, with as many verifiable REAL SG's out there, why take a chance at paying more for a possible fake when one can be patient and get any number of choices of the real ones.
     
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    Legit SG Special Faded are so common.

    There’s plenty of others to choose from without issues. No reason to waste time with something that makes you feel doubtful.
     
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    I really have no opinion on whether he should buy it or not, I'm just interested in establishing if it's fake or not.
     
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    It even has the wings glued to the edges of the headstock. Would like to see the pup and control cavities as well as what's underneath the truss rod cover plate to really see if it's a fake or not.

    Everything else about it looks genuine but that buggered up serial number stamping is a real head scratcher. It has a satin finish on the face of the headstock which is typical of the SG Special Faded, but those were not produced until 2002. Makes no sense why a budget model guitar would be faked.
     
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    I think if it was fake they would have tried harder. (and failed) Also if you fake it, it's much easier to do an opaque finish on some sh!t wood. The badly matching woodgrain suggests it has been painted once (although who knows with Gibsons quality control) In any case, there's nothing one can point at and say for sure that it's fake. But like others have said, one would have to check the cavities.
     
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    CG, you need to go to Epiphone forum, There is a huge thread devoted just to Fake Epi's
     

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