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Tnt
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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:06 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I saw a bunch of older amps and reissues at a local store for what I think is crazy money and I remembered that I saw a link for some complete DIY kits from Tube Garden.http://www.tubegarden.com/
I have a little experience with electronics (not a lot) and I wondered if anyone here has tackled such a project.Any insight would be appreciated!
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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:15 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I have not but I am GAS'n for sure for an 18 watt clone .. I hear only good things about themUltimate SG wiring Schematic
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Tnt
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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:42 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
There are some great sound files on there.Man, they sound sweeeet!$385.00 plus shipping sounds sweet as well for the Champ!
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Voxman
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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:10 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I am also lusting after an 18 watt marshall and have been for a year now.time will tell what happens.... and those fender kits look real good too.
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Charlieb
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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:13 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Good stuff prolly... and if not, there's enough expertise here to make it good. Another SG Schematic (my thanks to Lagger)


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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:51 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
$385.00 is a helluva deal for the Champ 5F1 complete kit. That speaker sounds great. I have the Weber Signature 8 and now I'm thinking the Jensen PR8 might be cool. Mine has very early breakup which I like tho.

I built mine about 6 months ago and use it a lot.
I got a left over that didn't get built and sold by a Boutique company and it had no instructions. The original Fender schematic has a ground wire left out. Once I figured that out, it was no problem, just took a lot of time to build it slow and right. I bought vintage style wiring and better caps. Decided to make a single point ground as a mod and put a Fender badge on it.
This is much better than buying a 30 year old amp and then having to replace all the caps and maybe a speaker before it sounds right.

I'm lusting for the 18 watt Marshall too but the prices are too much. Anyone have a line on an economical one?
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Voxman
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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:31 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Either build one off the 18w board or buy the excellent marshall reissue on a card! We'd love them!

http://18watt.com/

No problem here Charlie, Spunk, TnT,n Lag's! This is where I was going to get the parts from {the links}
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Tnt
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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:37 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Tube Garden has a discussion forum for their customers and fans on the above link.I was reading it and they are working on the 18watt Marshall or at least contemplating it.You might drop them a line.
I really want to build one or four of these Tweeds in the near future and any one will be better than what I gots now!And like CharlieB graciously said,I should have plenty of support!
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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:12 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
can i borry that green thingie Spunk?:::.S
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Spunky99
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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:12 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
The Graydon kit is $750.00.....
Is there a cheaper way to go?SG Standard
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Skidshark
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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:19 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
oooh..YEA!:::.S
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Skidshark
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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:49 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
The Weber speakers seemed like a fantastic deal/upgrade...hmmm, i wonder if they'd make my Crate sound EVEN MORE like toob amp?....hehe

the eminence speakers like i have didn't seem to "fare" so well in the test the link took me to...:::.S
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Charlieb
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Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:05 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Weber makes a "vintage" speaker, think more in terms of the original Jensen than the reissue ones.

He runs an EXTREMELY tight voice coil gap, and his speakers do not take much mechanical abuse at all. Another SG Schematic (my thanks to Lagger)


'04 Faded SG Special - '73 Guild S-100 - '78 Strat -
'96 Tele 52 reissue - '97 Tele Thinline - '98 Tele Thinline - '03 Adamas SMT... and a livingroom full of blackface Fender amps!
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Skidshark
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Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 07:37 am: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
at his price you can afford to have a back up! by mechanical abuse do you mean it can't be pushed beyond a certain wattage? Keep the 7 string/baritone away from it?:::.S
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Spunky99
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Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 10:32 am: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hey Skid,

I gave my spare to a buddy alreday...No extra green thingies here.

Charlie,

When you say they do not take much mechanical abuse, are you talking about wattage and overdriving them? Moot point in a 5 watt amp I would suspect.SG Standard
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Skidshark
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I'm learning a man can never have too many thingies...:::.S
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Charlieb
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Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 11:16 am: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
No what I'm saying is they are critical for getting mounted correctly, not over-tightening the mount, for making sure the baffle is DEAD flat too. You put .010 twist on that thing and woops, its rubbing. He's got the tightest coil gaps in the industry....

He also gets a lot of returns - speakers bent a little... just a LITTLE .. in shipping.

However, if set up well, and installed critically, they do have a nice tone. Another SG Schematic (my thanks to Lagger)


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Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 03:45 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
The $290.00 kit amp is back at Tube Garden!You can have a repro of an all tube tweed Fender Champ for piddlin' money! http://www.tubegarden.com/
Also, get a Fender Tweed Lunch box to go with it!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64415&item=3757668394&rd= 1My name is TNT,and I have approved this message.
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Voxman
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Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 04:00 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yea!
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Sgmaniac
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Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 04:17 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
The kit is $385.00 TNT/VOX. Can someone without a lot of electronics experience build it? Does it have idiot proof instructions?
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Tnt
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Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 05:32 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
The reg kit is $385.00.As you can see in red,there is a budget version on there that is $290.00.Click on "Champ Amp" and get the low down.I have not built one yet but read that there is a tech support forum on Tubegarden's site.
http://p208.ezboard.com/btubegarden
Read over the whole site and listen to the sound files and such to make up your mind.
They can help you or CharlieB,Voxman,and others here should be able to help.My name is TNT,and I have approved this message.
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Skidshark
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Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 05:55 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
now THAT's tempting!:::.S
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Tnt
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Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 12:06 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hmm.I could get a Bassman, an 18 watt,a British Invasion kit or a Goldtone and one of these...http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSHPB100
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Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 07:42 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
TNT,

Why buy a static powerbrake for $399.00 when you can get a Weber MASS for $250.00? The MASS is active and works with the amp. The powerbrake is a bunch of coils that get hot and eventually break from the temp cycling and do not work with the amp.SG Standard
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Tnt
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 10:07 am: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Well guys,I took the plunge and ordered the regular Champ kit amp from Tubegarden.I'm stoked!I ordered it with a CTS pot For $5.00 extra and Dan said he'd throw in some pushback cloth wire for free.So in a few days I should be receiving it!I shall give y'all updates as they become available.
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Tnt
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 11:52 am: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
BTW-What do you guys use to discharge capacitors?Two forks and a friend?LOL I was wondering if there is a ready made tool for that.
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I bleed them thru a 10K 2 watt resistor---clip on one end- wire-resistor-wire-clip. After they bleed down I clip plates and other high voltage supply, etc., to ground depending on what I'm doing! Those tiny blue sparks will make you hang from the ceiling like a cat if one bites you.
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Vox , what I made is a 20k resistor... dont need the wattage... i think I got 1/8 watt or so, maybe 1/4.... and stuck it up a test probe handle... the other end has a alligator clip.

And.... I somehow find a way to solder in a bleed-down resistor... even 1meg does it just fine. 1 meg, half watt cuz I got em... from highest b+ to ground. The amp never sees it, and you get bleed-down in 10 or 15 seconds Another SG Schematic (my thanks to Lagger)


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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 12:21 pm: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I still always check the bleed down's, a waste of time I know but I don't want to ever get too comfortable around high voltage, and coming from a guy who works on amps with them on! Not recommended folks unless you know what your doing, in that case, dig in

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:D Hey guys!I finally received my kit amp a week ago from Tubegarden and it looks great.I'm gonna start on it today.I'll let you know how it goes!
 

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TNT let me know how it goes. I have a tweed deluxe kit from Dan due soon. He said it might ship Monday. Hope it's not to hard, I can barely plug my guitar in. :oops:
 

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I spent about 9 hrs yesterday on it.Got it to the point of firing it up this mornin' and I've got voltage issues.I just sent Dan a 911 e-mail so I can get this thing going.I'll let you guys know!
 

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As a follow up I'll just say that I've been lazy.The amp is sitting here but I do know that I've got to troubleshoot a ground. I'll get to it soon though!
 

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TNT.... tell me when you're gonna be in the chat room, we'll get it fixed online
 


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