Hello all. I made a stop at my local Guitar Center today to buy some picks and look what was hanging in the rafters? It was far away but I took a phone snapshot just so I could zoom in on some detail. They claim it's a '64 SG Special but that seems unlikely to me. I didnt have time to wait for them to bring in a crane that could reach all the way up to where it was so I didn't get to look it over in-hand but maybe tomorrow I'll go back when I have some more time. In the meantime, this is what I noticed from a distance: What's right: The finish looks period correct to '60s or early '70s. The truss rod cover is blank but what you can't see in the photo is that the white edges are very yellowed. The photo makes the selector switch look black, it is not. It is that very deep amber you see on some old guitars. And not a fake like I have on my Custom House '61 reisssue. It has that crystallized / translucent look to it that only the real ones get. Gibson inlay is a bit hard to see but it appears to have the dot over the i (at some point in the 70s they didn't) It has a wraparound bridge with the 4+2 config (i.e. the top four strings stepping in a predictable manner then a jump back up for the bottom 2) which is more in line with 60s when you would expect the G-string to be wound and more hence like the E, A, and D than the B/E as we'd see today. Also regarding the bridge, it doesn't have that poor-mans ABR-1 sort of thing you see in ones from '69 on with wraparounds. But really it seems after 1970 or so you just don't see the wraparound bridge much at all. So I'd say it's prior to '69. What's not: The control knobs don't fit the period for an SG. Probably replacements. The tuners look to be replaced too. The pickups, obviously, don't fit a 60s SG. Replaced at some point. Batwing makes no sense for '64. More like '65 or later. Either that or they routed out the body for the humbuckers and then slapped a batwing on to cover their sins up. But seems more likely it's just a native batwing model. My spider sense tells me that its a '66-'67 era model with lots of unoriginal parts. The price is hence I reckon it's a bit high for it given the parts issues. A real, all-original '66 seems to go for around $3K based on the few comparables I can find. But replaced pickups, tuners, knobs, maybe electronics, etc shred a lot of that value. I think to get it back to original it would take nearly a grand (I've seen vintage knob sets run $150, piguard loaded with original P90s for $550, tuners probably another $200 if you really wanted them original too). I'd think something a bit under $2,000 is probably fair price but what do I know? But I wonder if I'm missing something obvious that makes this (1) more desirable and (2) how can you really date these things other than the things I mentioned and the pots, whcih I hope to look at later? I mean I've seen someone mention placement of knobs and switches being different from year to year, is there a fingerprint that say "that's a '74" or something?