ZubinSG
Member
the ones on standard (green keys) just arent cutting it
what do you recommend? pics or links are always helpful, thanks
what do you recommend? pics or links are always helpful, thanks
Can anyone suggest some good tuners?
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Spunky
Active Member
I have those on 3 Gibson's and they work just fine!
What is the problem with your tuners?
What is the problem with your tuners?
E
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Guest
yeh, i want some snots 
Six String
Well-Known Member
Welcome to ETSG ZubinSG!
ZubinSG
Member
"Six String" said:Welcome to ETSG ZubinSG!
thank you 6string
well, let me kinda preface this and say im fairly a guitar noob
as i was speaking to my guitar teacher i expressed my frustrations of my guitar going out of tune so quickly, so he looked at how i strung my guitar first and noticed there was ntohing wrong there and then went on to tell me how my guitar is a 'replication' of a 60's style guitar. The fact that gibson puts the greenkeys on there is for the vintage feel and essentially im also getting vintage technology as well
he recommended that i get some sort of modern tuning keys because they would stay in tune better, he even told me to look at a brand called planet waves
once again, this is what i was told by my guitar teacher
now im not the type do whatever someone tells me to do but i tghought this sounded pretty solid and i consider my guitar teacher a fairly knowledgavle guy considering he is a luthier and makes his own guitars (Hot Rod Customs)
and i dont know if i like the look of the green keys on such a beautiful guitar, i feel the green taint takes away from the sharp contrast of the black/pearloid/chrome combo
entropydave
Member
agreed - leave 'em! If the problem is with them going outta tune then maybe you need to check the way you wrap the strings around the post and so on.
I must admit, I am surprised your guitar teacher recommended such a mod. Just my 2Hz worth.....
I must admit, I am surprised your guitar teacher recommended such a mod. Just my 2Hz worth.....
Six String
Well-Known Member
I'd suggest finding out where the problem is.... Why there's a tuning problem. More info? 8) Are there some pix you can post of your guitar and the keys, etc. (We love guitar pix around here.... )
(IMHO, sounds like your teacher, luthier he may be, is a LP or Fender man......
)
)(IMHO, sounds like your teacher, luthier he may be, is a LP or Fender man......
)Get a new guitar teacher, he doesn't know a tuner from a tuna.
Tuners cannot slip!!!! They just cant. There is NO way the post can drive the worm gear... cannot be done, like mixing matter and antimatter.* That is, as long as you tune up and take the slack out, even the cheapeast tuners cannot slip.
Better tuners are smoother, and easier to tune with. Your tuners are "better" tuners.
How to properly string, from www.frets.com. Frank Ford, arguably the planets best guitar repairman (not luthier... they BUILD guitars) is showing how.
Thru the hole.... just a LITTLE slack in the string.
Always UNDER the string and from the middle to the edge with the tuner on it.
Bend it over TIGHT - this is the important step!
Wind it up.... there only needs to be about 1/2 to one full wind on the post! Too many windings on the post allow stretch seemingly forever. I like about one turn on the post for wound strings, but go two turns or so on plain strings only because its easier that way.
Clip it short. I like to leave about 3/8 inch, makes takin' em off easier.
Ok. So new strings, strung up right. Then PULL them up in the middle four or five times to stretch them in. Tune and pull a few more times. That ought to be real close to staying in tune at that point.
Sorry to admonish your teacher.... but he deserves it! I want to see a picture of the way you string up currently! Lets see that peghead!
And.... Welcome abord... please enjoy the ETSG! (this place).
*according to Captain Montgomery Scott
Tuners cannot slip!!!! They just cant. There is NO way the post can drive the worm gear... cannot be done, like mixing matter and antimatter.* That is, as long as you tune up and take the slack out, even the cheapeast tuners cannot slip.
Better tuners are smoother, and easier to tune with. Your tuners are "better" tuners.
How to properly string, from www.frets.com. Frank Ford, arguably the planets best guitar repairman (not luthier... they BUILD guitars) is showing how.
Thru the hole.... just a LITTLE slack in the string.
Always UNDER the string and from the middle to the edge with the tuner on it.
Bend it over TIGHT - this is the important step!
Wind it up.... there only needs to be about 1/2 to one full wind on the post! Too many windings on the post allow stretch seemingly forever. I like about one turn on the post for wound strings, but go two turns or so on plain strings only because its easier that way.
Clip it short. I like to leave about 3/8 inch, makes takin' em off easier.
Ok. So new strings, strung up right. Then PULL them up in the middle four or five times to stretch them in. Tune and pull a few more times. That ought to be real close to staying in tune at that point.
Sorry to admonish your teacher.... but he deserves it! I want to see a picture of the way you string up currently! Lets see that peghead!
And.... Welcome abord... please enjoy the ETSG! (this place).
*according to Captain Montgomery Scott
Strange Brew
Well-Known Member
Welcome aboard Zube....
Here's the Planet Waves tuner.. talk about overkill?... would look...er...great on any guitar. Not.
(They say....)
Makes changing strings a breeze!
Automatically cuts off excess string while you tune up. An individual string clamp holds the string tightly in the tuner, so there's no need for multiple wraps around the tuning post. A precision 18:1 gear ratio provides smooth, exact tuning, while virtually eliminating backlash and slippage.
The rugged, die-cast outer casing houses precision 18:1 bevel and worm gears, a string clamp, and a hardened-steel wire cutter. Restringing has never been easier: simply insert the string, tighten the clamp, and tune up. The Auto-Trim Tuning Machine does the rest.
Features:
* Automatically cuts off excess string while tuning
* Individual string clamp holds the string tightly in the tuner eliminating multiple wraps around tuning post
* Precision 18:1 gear ratio for smooth, exact tuning
* No backlash or slippage
* Rugged, die-cast outer casing
* 18:1 bevel and worm gears
* Hardened-steel wire cutter
I say.....
save your money and stick with what you have...
Here's the Planet Waves tuner.. talk about overkill?... would look...er...great on any guitar. Not.
(They say....)
Makes changing strings a breeze!
Automatically cuts off excess string while you tune up. An individual string clamp holds the string tightly in the tuner, so there's no need for multiple wraps around the tuning post. A precision 18:1 gear ratio provides smooth, exact tuning, while virtually eliminating backlash and slippage.
The rugged, die-cast outer casing houses precision 18:1 bevel and worm gears, a string clamp, and a hardened-steel wire cutter. Restringing has never been easier: simply insert the string, tighten the clamp, and tune up. The Auto-Trim Tuning Machine does the rest.
Features:
* Automatically cuts off excess string while tuning
* Individual string clamp holds the string tightly in the tuner eliminating multiple wraps around tuning post
* Precision 18:1 gear ratio for smooth, exact tuning
* No backlash or slippage
* Rugged, die-cast outer casing
* 18:1 bevel and worm gears
* Hardened-steel wire cutter
I say.....
save your money and stick with what you have...
entropydave
Member
"Strange Brew" said:Welcome aboard Zube....
Here's the Planet Waves tuner.. talk about overkill?... would look...er...great on any guitar. Not.
(They say....)
Makes changing strings a breeze!
Automatically cuts off excess string while you tune up. An individual string clamp holds the string tightly in the tuner, so there's no need for multiple wraps around the tuning post. A precision 18:1 gear ratio provides smooth, exact tuning, while virtually eliminating backlash and slippage.
The rugged, die-cast outer casing houses precision 18:1 bevel and worm gears, a string clamp, and a hardened-steel wire cutter. Restringing has never been easier: simply insert the string, tighten the clamp, and tune up. The Auto-Trim Tuning Machine does the rest.
Features:
* Automatically cuts off excess string while tuning
* Individual string clamp holds the string tightly in the tuner eliminating multiple wraps around tuning post
* Precision 18:1 gear ratio for smooth, exact tuning
* No backlash or slippage
* Rugged, die-cast outer casing
* 18:1 bevel and worm gears
* Hardened-steel wire cutter
I say.....
save your money and stick with what you have...
Yep, IMVHO these machines are just some attempt to reinvent the wheel - the basic principle of 'regular' tuners are great and have been proven over the decades - maybe just a change in materials technology might add a benefit, but basically, a set of Gibson/Klusons are fine!!!...and so are Grovers too, of course!
ZubinSG
Member
"Six String" said:I'd suggest finding out where the problem is.... Why there's a tuning problem. More info? 8) Are there some pix you can post of your guitar and the keys, etc. (We love guitar pix around here....
(IMHO, sounds like your teacher, luthier he may be, is a LP or Fender man......
actually, hes a peavey wolfgang type guy, he sold his strats and always speaks down on the LP except for his 71 LP
the way i string my guitars is kinda difficult to explain:
1. i run the stirng through the post
2. eyeball like an inch and a half of excess string
3. then move the string an inch and a half back down the post
4. and then i bend the string around the post to make a crease
5. and then i just tighten and tune
i dont tie it or go over and under like the method in this thread, maybe that could be the problem?
and yes, those planet waves are the same ones that he was talking about, but after thinking about it, it might be better just to leave the guitar the way it is, although i wont rule the gibson pearloid tuners
ill try to get pics of my guitar up in a lil
hey Zubin, welcome to the board. listen to these guys, they know what they're talking about. i was going to replace my tuners until i read som stuff around here. i've found that stretching the strings a bit once you've put them on helps, then they just need to settle in properly. also, try to avoid rapid or extreme changes in temperature and humidity. i swear my SG dropped about half a semitone this morning because i'd had the windows open and it's bloody cold here 
omni
New Member
Hi Zubin,
I tend to agree with the rest. You can't go wrong with the standard tuners on a gibson. Of course you have the more modern sophisticated sets. I myself have some Shaller Locking tuners on my SG. But staying in tune is such basic need. That most tuners will do just that. Also don't forget that those planetwaves ones have a larger diameter, I believe, so the holes in your peghead have to be redrilled. Wich will make this a lot more difficult (or expensive).
When I start my lessons. My guitar comes straight from the cold car. I tune up and just by the warmth of my hands the strings warm up and I have to retune 5 minutes later.
I tend to agree with the rest. You can't go wrong with the standard tuners on a gibson. Of course you have the more modern sophisticated sets. I myself have some Shaller Locking tuners on my SG. But staying in tune is such basic need. That most tuners will do just that. Also don't forget that those planetwaves ones have a larger diameter, I believe, so the holes in your peghead have to be redrilled. Wich will make this a lot more difficult (or expensive).
When I start my lessons. My guitar comes straight from the cold car. I tune up and just by the warmth of my hands the strings warm up and I have to retune 5 minutes later.
Clearview
Member
Throw out those antique tuners and get chrome Grover tuners. You don't have to get the huge kidney bean tuners, but Grovers are tight. They have been doing me right and are in all my guitars
Six String
Well-Known Member
Hey Zub, my partner's got a couple of Wolfgangs and went up to an Ibenez Gem.... still can't get him into an SG........... To much of a Vai fan I guess. That's cool.
Listen to these guys around here they are very sharp....... 8) 8) 8)
Listen to these guys around here they are very sharp....... 8) 8) 8)
