Cracked/Broken Headstock

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by Dewesq, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. Paul G.

    Paul G. Well-Known Member

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    A Titebond or even a plain Elmer's joint will be stronger than the unbroken wood.

    You may break your head again, but it will be in a different spot.

    Hot Hide is nice, but it requires some experience to do neatly and properly.

    Personally, Titebond and some clamps is how I'd go.

    P.
     
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  2. SG Lou

    SG Lou Moderator Staff Member

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    oK, SO THEN i'LL THROW A QUESTION BACK AT YOU..................Do you plan on keeping your guitar anyplace when temps will exceed 140 degrees for a extended period of time?
     
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    OK.....not sure what happened there that I deserve being yelled at. (The all caps thing) Again, I'm trying to learn here and asking honest questions shouldn't lead to hostility.
    If I've somehow offended you I apologize, but the laughing smiley wasn't directed towards you it was syscokid's brake screeching reaction to the stink factor.

    There was no disrespect intended.

    I live in Florida, it tends to get quite warm here, and occasionally one might have their guitar in their parked car. If you live in Arizona, it gets to 120-130° actual outside temperature. 140° is not an unrealistic temperature to hit.
     
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    syscokid Well-Known Member

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    What would the "extended period of time" actually be? I'm thinking that wood and glue would take a very long time to come up to that softening temperature... :hmm:
     
  5. Biddlin

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    My missus insists that the hot hide glue has no odor and that I'm hyper-sensitive from years of exposure. OK, maybe it's the cooker pot that stinks. Lou is absolutely correct that hot hide glue is the "industry standard" for furniture and instruments. It is great for guitar neck joints. In your garage, wood glue is much easier to use.
    I actually have a 2003 SG Special that sat in an outdoor storage locker in the central valley for three years before I rescued it. It was strung, though one string had broken. There was tension on the neck. I guarantee that the temps inside went well over 140 a few times. The effects on the finish were noticeable, but not an impediment to play, rather like Dean's Z-glide concept.
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    I often ponder how much the well fitted case helped keep the neck in place?
     
  6. SG Lou

    SG Lou Moderator Staff Member

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    My point exactly.............. so it shouldn't be of any concern
     
  7. SG Lou

    SG Lou Moderator Staff Member

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    Nothing..........cap locks were on and I didn't notice
     
  8. donepearce

    donepearce Well-Known Member

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    I've never found a use for caps lock, so I always disable it. On a PC there is a really simple registry edit. Don't know about a Mac, but I guess there will be something similar.
     
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    Biddlin Well-Known Member

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    You never worked for the Department of Motor Vehicles or a tow company. Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN) include letters, all upper case. Over the decades of working for the city, I have typed so many accident and incident reports that included such identifiers that I toggle the key frequently.
     
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    donepearce Well-Known Member

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    Nope - I only ever used it for shouting at people. And now I am in a state of mellow curmudgeonliness, I don't need it.
     
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    Biddlin Well-Known Member

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    Ahhh!
     
  12. Raiyn

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    That's a good question.
    Good point.


    Yeah, I'm not even sorry, I love some Pinky and The Brain. :cheers:


    Cool. You had me worried. It's one thing to question (and razz to a degree) these guys, but,given past experience on other forums, mod heat is not something I'm looking for.

    . I use it on the Kindle when I do acronyms. One hand holds the Kindle, while the other taps out the post.
     
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    smitty_p Well-Known Member

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    "Mod Heat" would be a good name for a psychedelic rock band.
     
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    Must have been so dry and temperate in that tomb, that regular wood glue would have kept the furniture together. King Tut was also well preserved and only made of dry bones and flesh.

    But I'll admit that it's a good promo line for hide glue makers
     
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    Pretty sure Ol' Pharaoh didn't have any Titebond!
     
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    "Must have been so dry and temperate in that tomb, that regular wood glue would have kept the furniture together. King Tut was also well preserved and only made of dry bones and flesh."

    This kinda bothered me too. Googling around, I found that the Tut tomb was 10 meters underground. Temps would have been a fairly consistent 55deg F. Almost anything would've survived in these conditions.
    Since the tomb has been open to visitors, the 3000+ year old paintings and plaster have started to deteriorate. Primary cause is the temperature changes from human breath.

    As far as guitars are concerned, I try to NEVER allow them to be in an environment that I wouldn't be in.
     
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    I QUITE LIKE CAPS LOCK WHEN I WANT TO HAVE A GREAT BIG YELL ON THE INTERNET
     
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    That's the image that comes to mind when I read something in all caps.
     
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    You might use gelatin instead. It is just cleaned hide glue and does not stink.

    But anyway fish glue, carefully thinned with a little bit of water, is often easier to apply than HHG, and good glue does not stink either.
     
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    Temperature might also be an issue with white glue. It tends to soften at temperatures not too much higher than HHG.

    BTW: dry HHG, even more Fish glue will resist much larger temperatures as long as it remains dry. It requires both heat and humidity to open glue connections.
     

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