Epiphone Genesis

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  1. DCCable

    DCCable Active Member

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    Hey guys, I'm looking at a black Epiphone Genesis at my favorite music store. It appears to be one of the Taiwanese 1979-1981 guitars.

    The thing I'm having trouble figuring out is the serial #, its at the body end of the fret board and is a 6 digit number with no letters, 0036xx. I have found one photo on line with a serial # in that location but I can't find any references to an Epiphone serial # that's that configuration.

    Anybody have any thoughts on this?
     
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  3. DCCable

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    Thanks, but nothing on a serial number like 0036xx.
     
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    The Aria Epiphone Japan models that were made by Matsumoku from the early 1970s and ending before 1987 do not have a reliable serial numbering system but can be approximately dated using their Epiphone label colours.


    Lincolnwood Labels:

    The Lincolnwood label was also used for the Tawainese "Epi" series acoustic guitars from 1979-1980. These labels say "Made in Tawain" in the bottom right corner.
     
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    I have seen examples of Epiphone Genesis guitars made in that 1979-1981 time frame on line that have what I would consider conventional, for the time period, serial numbers stamped on the back of the head stock i.e. seven or eight digit all numerical SR#s, but no stickers anywhere visible.

    Is it possible that these things serial numbers just represent the build order? So the one I'm looking at would be the three thousand six hundredth and what ever Genesis produced in the Taiwanese factory?
     
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    I have now come to believe that for the most common 7 digit serial numbers found on the Genesis Taiwanese production follow a MM/Y/RRRR code. For instance SR# 0290820 was produced in Feb. 1979 and was the 820th unit produced that month. This seems to work for all the 7 digit SR#s I have been able to find on the www (18 SR#s.)

    In all cases the first two digits I have found are 01 through 12 (the month) and the next digit is either 9, 0, or 1 (1979, 1980, or 1981.)
     
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    Does anyone own one of the 1979-81 Genesis with a 7 digit SR# that can verify or refute my theory on the serial numbers?
     
  8. Jeff D

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    I have an early Genesis with the same serial configuration - NO serial number on the back of the headstock, and 0038xx on the end of the fret board. I have seen this question on several Genesis discussion, and no one seems to have an answer...

    I talked at length to Gibson, but nobody has any idea...but they DO exist!

    Mine is a red Standard...
     
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    View attachment 43053 View attachment 43054 View attachment 43054 Jeff, Yes,they do exist. And I did purchase the example I talked about above, SR# 0036XX stamped on the end of the fret board, which is similar to the early Yamaha electric guitars. So maybe out of the same factory (Matsumoku or FujiGen)? Mine has a bridge stamped made in Japan. The pickups look to be Japanese as well however I haven't been able to identify who made them; maybe Maxon from the Inked #. And the pickups have Mogami pigtails on them and TKD pots. Oh, and I did converse with a Japanese gentleman who had one for sale on eBay, who stated they were made of ramin not mahogany, the MIJ examples that is. Mine certainly looks like it was not produced on a CNC router. See photos below. Pickup_3.jpg Bridge_1.jpg

     
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