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okay, just what ARE the rules for posting in the general section? we can talk about dogs, but not airplanes? i'm obviously missing something and probably should have this spelled out for me....i'm kinda dense sometimes so if someone would use short words please help me out here...
 

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It appears we are in the midst of a forum shift. We need to determine what is acceptable and what's not..............

I see on one hand we want to remain a music oriented forum and in the same breath, we post the non-music related threads. Bottom line. do we or don't we want the open social posts that are normally in General? I for one, like the social nature of non-music related posting. If General is not the place (and I'm not sure why it would be..) then create it elsewhere.

If ETSG is to become an all music related forum, then we need to deal with it. I would hope that by doing this, it would not become like other forums I hear many talking about. Techno heads, snobs, or elitists.

ETSG is a fun place to be, learn and generally make a lot of friends that don't judge you but rather respect you when respect is warranted.

This is my piece so let's hear from others.
 

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Threads about dogs, threads about 100 years, threads about airplanes.... are not in keeping with what has always been, and is not more fully clarified.

BW's thread is not locked, either is the dog one, or the 100 year one. There were notes placed to try to encourage on topic discussion.

Off topics wont be deleted, but may be closed to further discussion (locked).

Let me quote our Admin, "I believe that the General section should be music, guitar, forum and membership related only, but I am open to ideas"

Sixer, that is what is acceptable at the present time, until the policy changes.

I believe, however, we are in for a nice and more open area in the new forum software, currently under tweakage by Tom. I cannot say too much more on that, except that it MAY be for contributing members only.

FWIW, the dog thread continues, it seems with able musical reference. Keep in mind that its not just musical. Guitar/Musical, etSG board (or website too I suppose) and membership related items go in General right now.
 

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In the development of this forum, it has been Toms vision and guidelines we need to uphold. I think it would needed at this point to have Toms input to realign the direction he started. We all may "own" a small piece of this rock, but Tom is still the majority share holder.

Tom?
 

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May I suggest that anyone who has something well planned to lay out, do so here, so that it may be fully discussed in the ongoing etSG Staff meetings.
 

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it would be hard to find something music related that's not covered in other sections. we all lament about how this place is different from other forums and applaud that, maybe being different from other forums isn't important anymore?

the only think music related about dogs is the stupid ennuendo we throw in as a joke, am i right? by that logic a thread on "the musical fruit that makes to toot" would be okay whereas BW's cool ass post about an airplane ride ain't? oooooh-tay! ;D
 

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there's 2 pages about WienerWays getting a job...now that's music to all our ears i know, but man callin Lou out in front of the world on something........i dunno, did ya maybe pm him first or somethin? i mean that's kind of embarrassing i'd say!
 

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Vox, you're right..... it ain't what it was. But progress is an intregal part of evolution. We have provably lost some old members because of it, but evolution happens and it becomes a personal choice as to whether the change is to ones liking. When there were the first 100 members, a smaller gene pool makes it easy. When over 1350 members are all in the same pool, then the diversity is much greater.

To quote Tom again....."I believe that the General section should be music, guitar, forum and membership related only, but I am open to ideas".... there are two important passages as I see it. One is....... "and membership related only" Does this only mean that if it's member related to music or guitars it's fine or couldn't it also mean the general well being of a fellow member? Besides the questioned thread that have been mentioned, we'd need to add a number of other threads. How about the joke thread in general? It's non-musical and non-guitar, but it sure boasts the spirits of fellow members. The other is......... " but I am open to ideas." Toms idea is to provide his love for the SG thru a forum that allows everyone to share that love...... whatever (within reason) that may be. So besides talking SGs, Amps, Gear, repairs and the like, isn't it also the friendships that have developed from not just the core but the fringe areas this forums provides that has set this forum apart from the others?

Maybe we have begun focusing to closely on specific problem areas and are not loosing sight of  the overall goal, but loosing sight of the total benefit the forum provides. I think rules are necessary, but not to the point that the rules become the norm. I would rather mod the general area for porn, language and the like rather then looking for a music/ guitar link to justify the thread. Threads that have no benefit what so ever to the membership, then so be it............ static.  The Pictures of Girls With SGs didn't get 20,000+ views and 708 posts because of the SGs. If the rule becomes the norm, then when do you draw the line?

We are talking about a major policy issue here and maybe it needs to come to a vote after ample discussion......... but are we here to make and enforce rules or to enjoy a wonderful forum?
 

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[quote author=Six String link=topic=9745.msg127104#msg127104 date=1155172136]
To quote Tom again....."I believe that the General section should be music, guitar, forum and membership related only, but I am open to ideas".... there are two important passages as I see it. One is....... "and membership related only" Does this only mean that if it's member related to music or guitars it's fine or couldn't it also mean the general well being of a fellow member?
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I took the membership part to mean questions, comments, and discussion of the state of being a member. That is, related to what can and cannot be posted, is my avatar ok, why cant I post pictures, why cant I log on from work, can I have two memberships/handles, etc etc etc etc

And you're right about the joke thread. This was questioned long ago, but maybe it needs a bit direction to be on topic. Glad you volunteered to add that moderation note Sixer!

And when we have better clarity, and or another place for those items, or redirection by Admin, we can then go in that new direction. From the point in time of prior clarification to now, off topic stuff has had notes added to try to get back on topic.

Of all those jokes we went thru, what was it... about six or eight that needed either deletion of major editing? Thats not too bad on content considering.
 

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you know, it seems to me that we're missing a major point here.....1way was allowed to go on about his job for 2 pages and nobody thought a thing of it.....sometimes we post in general about general things in our lives and really i've always thought that was what general was for. I've done it, you've done it, and i bet if we looked even ceeb has done it. i think that's the implied policy that we've all grown to know and love.

when policy implied or otherwise changes, i think it would have been prudent to make others aware before inforcing those new policies.

and back to the major point i think we're missing here, Lou got modded for something that others were doing. Lou is a mod here, and deserves respect not only from the general membership, but possibly even more so from other mods. his authority was undermined. my feelings would have been hurt too.
 

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explain to me why it was so important ceeb, are you not even caring about how that happened or who you chose to make an example of? Lou just got side-swiped and so because of a timeline he's roadkill now?

1ways job post was going on at the same time, why not use his post to enlighten us about this timeline, hell he was basically saying goodbye anyway!
 

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Skidders, I'm not going to argue this like I'm in court. Let it suffice to say, BW/Lou was not first but about 3rd or maybe 4th, was posted after the matter was discussed by staff, and that left really very little wiggle room. I'm not going back to edit, correct, whatever, to every old thread. Nothing was deleted. Just an on topic reminder given. And, from the point of Tom's clarification on forward, new threads or reactivated ones will probably be looked at a bit closer.
 

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Guys, Lets not get into a pissing match over this...................whats done is done. I'm sorry i even brought it up !
 

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BW, I agree about a pissing match, but we are talking about a major shift in policy to the forum to which we all need to understand the ground rules and procedures. I hope that the shift does not result in the posting of threads, along the same line as has been done, that have a thin made up musical link to justify its existence. At that, I would ask, what have we accomplished?
 

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After Lou's PM to me (and maybe others) I started thinking (God help us). I really enjoyed the Thread about Lou's airplane ride and would have hated to miss the opportunity to read it. I spent a lot of time thinking about what is best for the Forum. Several of you have mentioned how this place is like a home and even if there are other places on the web that you can talk about things, you prefer to do it here.

It was just those ideas that led to the Water Cooler turned into World Views and Politics section. All was well with the world until people actually started talking about Politics and Religion. It lead to such chaos that I "hid" that section.

So after much thinking (and a little bit to drink) I came up with this plan. The General section should stay just as it is, a place to discuss Forum and Musical issues that don't fit any where else. The Politics section will return with the new name of "The Water Cooler" and it will be for topics that are generally discussed around the water cooler/break room at work. There will be a DISCLAIMER that says: Discussion of Politics and Religion are forbidden and any thread discussing these topics will be removed, or something like that.

Now the dangerous part! I'd like to hear comments and discussion on my proposal. So what do you think?
 

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Tom.....I know that you knew my views about "various" aspects of the Forum ;)....I for One heartily endorse anything that can return us to the happier existance that we all so enjoyed.

Thanks again for all your efforts...They ARE appreciated. O0

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Lexie :)
 


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