Going to look at my first SG - Any advice?

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  1. Mac

    Mac New Member

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    Hello everyone, I'm new here.

    So I've never owned an SG before, if I buy this one it will be my first. I'm looking to pick the brains of someone who knows what they're looking at, which is you guys.

    It'a a 2013 standard. From my research 2013 is 57 classics, 60s necks, rosewood board, no pcp control cavity. Do I have that right?

    The case interior is grey and that is apparently because the original case was "destroyed". It should be white right?

    I tried posting a link to the ad but is says it's spam and doesn't let me.
     
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  2. Mac

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    Here are the pictures included in the ad.
     

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    It looks legit. This being your first SG I would play it and unless you fall in love with it I would suggest trying a few out. You may find that you prefer the feel of the regular standard with the larger neck joint more than that of the 61' RI style like this example with the small neck joint. They both have their fans and detractors.
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    I agree to play it before you buy it, especially since this will be your first SG. You don't want to purchase it blindly and then decide that you don't like it and rule out that all SG will be the same like that one when they are not.

    For me, the neck is the deciding factor when I purchase a guitar. You may or may not have a preference or don't know yet until you spend some time playing several different ones. No two will be exactly the same, but they will fall into one of two categories, either Slim Taper or Rounded.
     
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  5. Col Mustard

    Col Mustard Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to ETSG! We have a very diverse community of guitar aficianados
    on this site, and each of us has our own unique take on your question.

    As the OP, you get to read as much of it as you want
    and make up your own mind.

    Here's a few suggestions for you:

    1. The 2013 SG Standard is very well regarded in general
    which actually means nothing for a particular instrument.
    You have to play it through your own signal chain before you
    can be sure that this instrument is what you want.

    2. The SG Standard in general is one of the best guitars Gibson makes.
    Which once again means nothing when you're looking at an individual
    guitar.

    3. Such general statements are only useful if you're buying a guitar
    unseen, and unplayed, which is like gambling. These general facts
    mean that the SG Standard from 2013 is a good bet. *grins

    4. Gibson's '57 Classic pickups are one of the best that Gibson makes,
    and are the standard by which all pickups are measured. I have the
    '57 Classic and Classic plus in my 07 SG special, and I would describe the
    tone as stunning... clear and musical in all the frequencies. Deep growly
    lows, firm and present midrange, clear and pleasing highs, just a beautiful
    and very versatile tone. Awesome clean, and then you can overdrive it,
    spin it, delay it, amplify it, turn it up! I believe these p'ups are a good choice
    no matter what genre of music you play.

    5. I suggest you set aside money to get your new SG professionally set up.
    Get the luthier to check every solder joint, get the neck straight, check the
    nut slots for depth and for fit with the strings you intend to use. Check the frets for level, adjust as needed... Check the bridge saddles, adjust the action
    and set the intonation. This will enhance your SG experience all out of proportion to the money you spend on it.

    6. Gibson SGs, (and most other Gibsons) have a weak point where the
    headstock meets the neck. The seventeen degree back angle of the Gibson
    design goes across the grain of the mahogany neck, so that the guitar's
    neck can break right at that joint if subjected to a fall, or a blow. If I was
    buying a six year old used instrument, that's the first thing I'd look for.
    ...cracks or repairs on the back of the headstock joint.
    Most luthiers will tell you they repair several Gibsons a month.
    It's routine work for luthiers, traumatic for owners. A Gibson with a repaired
    headstock will play fine, but is worth less money than an unbroken one.

    7. Gibson guitars are the subject of a lot of counterfeiting. I suggest you
    go online and google: HOW TO SPOT A FAKE GIBSON. Look at the dates of
    the posts, because the fakes keep getting better and harder to spot.
    Gibson offers a service where you can report the serial number of a guitar
    you have, and they'll verify when that guitar was made, and what color it
    was, and what equipment it had.

    Good luck in your quest. I think the '13 SG Standard is a good choice,
    and I hope you return and report with an NGD where everything's
    fine.
     
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  6. Huntroll

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    If possible, go to your local Guitar Center and check out a brand new SG.
    You may just want to go ahead and invest in a new one.
    Consider your ability to keep it away from potential damage.
    Like a big dog or kids.
    If you have kids, then buy accordingly.
    Buy one they can tear up. It's good for 'em.
    On the other hand, nice new ones are super nice.
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    To me they are tools meant to be played. Whether second hand or new, they can either be stored in a case or hung high on a wall hanger when not in use to prevent damage from unauthorized paws or hands.
     
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  8. Col Mustard

    Col Mustard Well-Known Member

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    +1 on this... buy from a reputable store and then you know what you
    are getting. plus warranty. All my previous comments stand, but you do
    yourself a service by following Huntroll's very valid suggestion.

    Check out a new one. Or a whole rack of them. Here's why:

    IMHO, the year class of any guitar means nothing. The only thing that's
    important is how it feels to play it, and how it sounds through your own
    signal chain, or one like it.

    Play it before you buy it... that's how you know. For some guys, it's the
    neck profile. For others, it's how it sounds unamplified. Or it's the weight.
    For some, it's decorative things like inlay, gloss and binding.
    For me, it's a very subjective mixture of all these things,
    combined with the balance.

    I would never buy an SG that was neck heavy. And apparently, lots of
    them are. (not my two...). And not Angus's
    But you have to strap it on and play it ...especially if you are picky about
    neck shapes... before you know if
    the guitar will give you what you want.

    The ideal experience is to get an SG in your hands that feels like you've
    finally come home. Those of us who have had this experience will tell you
    that there's no substitute. When this happens, it likely doesn't matter what
    color the instrument is, or what year it was made. It's like the Wand picks
    the Wizard. Guys who have NOT had this experience will tell you that
    guitars are just property... buy 'em and sell 'em on a whim.

    Both statements are true... but we see a lot of posts by guys who say:
    "Man, I never thought much of SGs until I played this one instrument...
    Now I wonder why it took me so long to understand it. I'll never sell this
    one!" *grins

    Or else we see posts like this:
    "Man, I used to have one of those. I sold it to get a Parker McFly, that I
    never actually played much. I wish I had my old SG back again. I've bought
    and sold a dozen guitars by now, trying to get that feeling back but
    there's nothing like how I felt with that one SG ..."

    So the best way to get that feeling is to go where they sell them
    and play as many as they'll let you. Buy the one that comes alive in your hands.
    Make it a quest... make it fun, not a chore. If none rings yer bell, keep your
    money in your pocket and keep looking.
     
  9. Steve D

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    Plenty of advice on trying before you buy so I'll skip that and look at the pics.

    It is indeed a SG Standard (not a '61 reissue) and I can't read the serial but if it's 2013 that a year that for some reason a lot of people cherish. I am not sure why but I suspect it's because in 2014 and 2015 they did weird things like put on really unpopular robot tuners and in 2015 changed the headstock to a weird Les Paul signature that nobody likes so people were like "oh no, 2013 is the last good year!" Anyway it seems to have stuck in people's minds and because of it they can be listed for a bit of a premium selling price so check prices of other similar ones to see if this is getting hit by that price bump.

    It looks like the body is probably a single piece of mahogany which is very nice, I think the '61 reissues are all made that way but not every standard is. Everything looks stock but who knows? It's one with the half "angel wing" pickguard so the neck is probably a slimmer '60s style as opposed the fatter ones you get on the full size "bat wing" pickguard models. 4

    The biggest enemy of SGs is the headstock and/or heel crack. The pics arent the best resolution but given that limitation, there don't appear to be any obvious repairs there which is essential to know because a repaired headstock should immediately scalp 50% off the price.

    SG Standards are great guitars. Whatever you decide, good luck!
     
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    Greetings

    I prefer the SG Standard myself, it is my favorite model. The 2013 Standard is an excellent year for the newer SGs. It has most everything I would want on a SG Standard.

    However, I do believe the 2013 SG Standard used the pcb with quick disconnect.
    And, yes... it should be white padding in the case.
     
  11. Mac

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    Well she's mine! Sorry I didn't post sooner but I've been busy getting to know her.

    It was love at first sight and I really enjoy the feel which is the important thing. Popped the control cavity open and it's non-pcb, traditional pots and wires.

    Only thing I've done to alter it so far is an aged switch tip which I'm not sure if I like better yet. I'm thinking about removing the pick guard too like Derek Trucks, but I know that's traditionally more of a Les Paul thing.
     

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    Congratulations man! That's a beautiful SG! :smile:

    Nice to know it's hand wired! ;)
     
  13. Huntroll

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    Good luck with your new guitar.
     

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    AWWW NO don't do that ! It is really beautiful as it is. White rings look cheap to me, or blingy if you want.

    And congrats ! Fat neck or slim ?
     
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    Yes.

    Yes.

    Those are the short answers. The SG Standard is the best of the SG line, in my opinion. The 2013 is a good year as Gibson discontinued the '61 Reissue and except for the bridge and width of the headstock, the Standard of that year has the same spec's as the Reissue which cost 50% more.

    I have one, and despite having owned original 1967 and 1969 versions, I think it is definitely one of the best SGs I've ever played.
     
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    It's a slim one, but that's what I was after.
     
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